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Why the PVE of the game is so bad?

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Verunae Caseti
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#61 - 2013-07-09 20:20:38 UTC
raven666wings wrote:
omg have u seen this thread? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=254876&p=1
have u looked at some of the comments made by the playerbase? check it out!


Sorry, I didn't realize "comments made by the playerbase" translate directly into implemented and released features in the game.

What kind of crazy new technology has permitted this advance? Has anyone told CCP or CERN?

I'll ask again, what "savage capitalist business practices" were you referring to in your post?
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#62 - 2013-07-09 20:24:18 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Verunae Caseti wrote:

Sorry, I didn't realize "comments made by the playerbase" translate directly into implemented and released features in the game.


No no.. this just translates into the real playerbase opinion and pretending that you care about it when in reality you ignore it.

Verunae Caseti wrote:

What kind of crazy new technology has permitted this advance? Has anyone told CCP or CERN?

I'll ask again, what "savage capitalist business practices" were you referring to in your post?


ib4 free2play and PC vs pay2win and crappy console network agreements discussion
Verunae Caseti
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#63 - 2013-07-09 20:28:40 UTC
raven666wings wrote:
ib4 free to play and PC vs pay2win and crappy console network agreements discussion


Things that have actually happened, though?

Nothing? Absolutely nothing, right?
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#64 - 2013-07-09 20:33:43 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Verunae Caseti wrote:


Things that have actually happened, though?

Nothing? Absolutely nothing, right?


well damn.. you will have to tell ur story to someone dumber than us who cannot see what that will bring to the CCP games
Verunae Caseti
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#65 - 2013-07-09 20:36:43 UTC
Sincere apologies but I prefer to react to real things that actually happen rather than building a fantasy world based on my own asinine speculation and then shedding tears over things that haven't actually happened.

Saves a lot of time. Give it a shot sometime. Just remember, before you cry, ask yourself "Has what I'm pissed about actually happened?"
Six Six Six
Doomheim
#66 - 2013-07-09 20:37:04 UTC
Verunae Caseti wrote:
raven666wings wrote:
ib4 free to play and PC vs pay2win and crappy console network agreements discussion


Things that have actually happened, though?

Nothing? Absolutely nothing, right?



You've already said it to him, I'll refresh your memory

Verunae Caseti wrote:
You're just completely full of ****?


and I happen to agree with you.
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#67 - 2013-07-09 20:43:47 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
yes yes .. lets wait and see CCP YOLOSWAG rescue Dust and what he does with EVE and EVE-VR! fair enough

meanwhile, lets get back on topic here - Why is EVE PVE so baaadd...??? Well don't worry folks! CCP YOLOSWAG is coming to fix that for you

...seriously.. check yoself before you wreck yoself, cause going rediculous is bad fo yo health and btw, grow some balls and post with ur main brah lol
Ken 1138
State War Academy
Caldari State
#68 - 2013-07-09 20:46:40 UTC
I expected Odyssey to breathe new life into PVE but it didn't, at all. Something like dynamic missions that no guide could keep up with or missions that REALLY need more than 1 person to to complete. We've had none of that. Incursions have been turned into a chore and finding a fleet in the elitist group that run them is a chore on its own. It's very catch 22, you need a super bling ship to fly in incursion fleets to earn a super bling ship.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#69 - 2013-07-09 22:00:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
raven666wings wrote:
The inevitable results of a lifetime of abusing hard drugs.


Seriously, what in the hell are you even talking about? I'm not trolling, I honestly cannot tell what on earth you are trying to say. I have relatives grievously afflicted with Alzheimer's who make more sense.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#70 - 2013-07-09 22:09:21 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
raven666wings wrote:
The inevitable results of a lifetime of abusing hard drugs.


Seriously, what in the hell are you even talking about? I'm not trolling, I honestly cannot tell what on earth you are trying to say. I have relatives grievously afflicted with Alzheimer's who make more sense.


*CCP damage control alt 3 detected *

lol damn u gotta work on being less obvious son
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#71 - 2013-07-09 22:11:59 UTC
raven666wings wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
raven666wings wrote:
The inevitable results of a lifetime of abusing hard drugs.


Seriously, what in the hell are you even talking about? I'm not trolling, I honestly cannot tell what on earth you are trying to say. I have relatives grievously afflicted with Alzheimer's who make more sense.


*CCP damage control alt 3 detected *

lol damn u gotta work on being less obvious son


... what?

Damage control of what? This one pitiful thread?

And, what on earth are you trying to say? That you want more PVE in the game? That you hate CCP?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Six Six Six
Doomheim
#72 - 2013-07-09 22:18:48 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
raven666wings wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
raven666wings wrote:
The inevitable results of a lifetime of abusing hard drugs.


Seriously, what in the hell are you even talking about? I'm not trolling, I honestly cannot tell what on earth you are trying to say. I have relatives grievously afflicted with Alzheimer's who make more sense.


*CCP damage control alt 3 detected *

lol damn u gotta work on being less obvious son


... what?

Damage control of what? This one pitiful thread?

And, what on earth are you trying to say? That you want more PVE in the game? That you hate CCP?



He's just trolling, trolls don't need to make sense they just need you to bite. Best bet is to just take no notice of him.
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#73 - 2013-07-09 22:20:49 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

... what?

Damage control of what? This one pitiful thread?

And, what on earth are you trying to say? That you want more PVE in the game? That you hate CCP?


dawg i would tell you again but u still wouldnt understand.. it would require that you to pulled your head out of your ass first
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#74 - 2013-07-09 22:24:55 UTC
Tzar Sinak wrote:
Dynamic content.

There are six (I think) different rat "races" in game. Using the current mission framework, randomize the rat race, ship numbers and types. If recovering an object, randomize which object and room it is contained in.

Introduce sleeper incursions into k space. Randomize incursion ship types and numbers. Allow incursion rats to attack POSes in k space. Allow sleepers to attack POSes in w space.

Remove ore belts and ore anoms completely. They now must be scanned. Increase the variation of ore spawning in all systems.

Make moon goo a finite commodity that respawns after 2-3 weeks after running out. Randomize the spawn forcing more low and null sec dynamics.

Randomize belt rats making belt chaining near impossible.

Add 20-30 more exploration sites with a massively randomized loot spectrum. Randomize whether sites get rats and the composition.

Add more systems that must be discovered, gates built to, planets and moons scanned for resources.

Make newly built gates public or private. Either way, charge a toll to recoup construction costs.

For those concerned about lore, make something up. The game is as weak on story driven lore as all the rest of the PvE.


I think you are confusing the words random and fun. remember that time people said sleeper ai in missions would be "fun" well all I see now is people bitching about their drones getting shot.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2013-07-09 22:28:31 UTC
I'm not aware of any game that is fun playing against npc's. Right? As good as even some single player games are....you play them 100 times, it's boring, yeah?

so, this thread is moot.

Don't ban me, bro!
Gealbhan
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#76 - 2013-07-09 22:38:25 UTC
To the OP: Because EvE is not a PvE Game. Arrow
Spenser for Hire
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#77 - 2013-07-09 23:14:04 UTC
Gealbhan wrote:
To the OP: Because EvE is not a PvE Game. Arrow

The player base, which is apparently a couple of thousand people don't need the PVE aspects of the game. The PVE, the missions, the mining, etc, the lure of "The Sandbox", the idea that the player gets to do what he wants to do, is there in order for the Player-base, which is apparently a couple of thousand people, to lure in the next victims. EVE needs a steady stream of fresh faced, wide-eyed victims. People who think they can "MINE" or "MISSION" or enjoy a "Sandbox", in other words, suckers, saps, dupes, dopes.

As for me, I make the best of EVE PvE. I watch Korean Dramas while I mission. Start up the ol' Armor Rep, and watch "You're the Best Lee Soon Shin!" during commercial breaks change targets, and get back to watching the drama.

Don't ask me to post with my main! You post with your main first!
yoni
DU5T
#78 - 2013-07-09 23:14:22 UTC
Daisai wrote:
Every mmo and close to every multiplayer game has grinding/farming which gets boring after some time.
Eve is no exception, so the thing you probably can do is do all of the above you mentioned to get isk to keep it less boring.


EVE just has more grinding than any other game I ever played, and I played a shitload of games
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#79 - 2013-07-09 23:36:53 UTC
yoni wrote:
Daisai wrote:
Every mmo and close to every multiplayer game has grinding/farming which gets boring after some time.
Eve is no exception, so the thing you probably can do is do all of the above you mentioned to get isk to keep it less boring.


EVE just has more grinding than any other game I ever played, and I played a shitload of games


Must have missed some of those Korean "Free" to play RPGs then. Those things are grindier than a **************.

EVE doesn't actually have a lot of grind, in the traditional sense. Your character progression is static, as far as your skillpoints go. Being able to utilize them in the form of a ship requires money, of which one of the many methods to obtain is grinding. Certainly the most mindless in any case, which is why some of the more activity intense methods of wealth generation are overlooked by the playerbase at large.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#80 - 2013-07-09 23:43:33 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
EVE doesn't actually have a lot of grind, in the traditional sense. Your character progression is static, as far as your skillpoints go. Being able to utilize them in the form of a ship requires money, of which one of the many methods to obtain is grinding. Certainly the most mindless in any case, which is why some of the more activity intense methods of wealth generation are overlooked by the playerbase at large.

I'd say that the grind in EVE is much like everything in EVE: entirely up to you to choose. You can make and play EVE grindtastic(ally) if you choose to. You can also make it a nearly zero-input self-running machine (and no, that's not using bots — in fact, running bots are probably more effort).

Between the two lies a crapton of options as far as effort and return-on-effort goes.