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The Safe Space 685
Kult Altol The Safe Space Likes received: 685	#21 - 2013-07-09 15:31:26 UTC Sooooo, Cain have their stuff? Not sure how to contract from wow to eve....hrrrrrmmm. [u]Can't wait untill when Eve online is Freemium.[/u] WiS only 10$, SP booster for one month 15$, DPS Boost 2$, EHP Boost 2$ Real money trading hub! Cosmeitic ship skins 15$ --> If you don't [u]pay [/u]for a product, you ARE the [u]product[/u].

Ace Uoweme

Republic Military School

Minmatar Republic

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#22 - 2013-07-09 15:35:21 UTC

Aidan Brooder wrote:

But I truly hope WOW endures a while longer otherwise the market is flooded with people who don't remember what a challenge is anymore.

Like playing EvE.

It's a symptom in all games, when gamers feel their game is harder than the others.

I keep telling folks it's not the ease of a game that is the problem in itself, it's gamers who ever need a rush (like a dupe user) that is the problem. Instead of playing the game for what the game offers, they seek that next hit over and over and over, instead of tempering it so where the game is special today as it was before.

Bittervets don't become bitter if they are content with what the game offers itself. They become bitter when the hits don't come fast enough; or eventually nothing satisfies them, as they did everything and gotten everything and no longer appreciate the game, because the hits no longer are strong enough.

What MMOs need is some addiction recovery, as just throwing content out isn't going to tame that lust...nor is it healthy.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell

Ministry of War Amarr Empire 84
Templar Knightsbane Ministry of War Amarr Empire Likes received: 84	#23 - 2013-07-09 15:37:22 UTC CoD is MMO Addiction recovery. You play it, get some insta-fix, think **** yeah, play it some more, and more, then remeber why you actually hate it and love MMO's. At that point you remember you left that really long skill training and appreciate EVE in its fullest!

Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1,244
J3ssica Alba Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation Likes received: 1,244	#24 - 2013-07-09 15:47:11 UTC 1 Most all MMOs have some form of microtransactions and f2p system implemented, only Eve is so full of uptight elitist bastards that that CCP don't dare do it `This is my signature. There are many others like it, but this one is mine. Without me, my signature is useless. Without my signature, I am useless`

Aidan Brooder

Dynasphere Ltd.

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#25 - 2013-07-09 15:53:38 UTC

Ace Uoweme wrote:

I keep telling folks it's not the ease of a game that is the problem in itself, it's gamers who ever need a rush (like a dupe user) that is the problem. Instead of playing the game for what the game offers, they seek that next hit over and over and over, instead of tempering it so where the game is special today as it was before.

Are you still playing with toy blocks, too? Or does your "My Little Pony" farm capture all your attention?
Careful, Ace, Rainbow needs a combing!

Blog: http://aidanbrooder.wordpress.com My EVE Playlist on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSNuHY7z8n1q1BdLvW2verIfH8vvWtz_x

Aidan Brooder

Dynasphere Ltd.

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#26 - 2013-07-09 15:56:20 UTC | Edited by: Aidan Brooder

On a more serious note, I of course completely disagree. When a game holds no challenge, when I just rush through it and cannot even remember much of the scenery they put so much time to create into... Then it bores me and I don't play it.

You cannot even start to imagine what I felt when they put quest markers into MMOs... Gooosh, now they even have to tell me where to walk to???

Sadly EVE starts to trod down the same route. Showing all the scan sites in a system. Making it so easy that everyone just must get it right on first try.

They should read that article the other guy here linked. DON'T make it too easy!

Blog: http://aidanbrooder.wordpress.com My EVE Playlist on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSNuHY7z8n1q1BdLvW2verIfH8vvWtz_x

Ace Uoweme

Republic Military School

Minmatar Republic

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#27 - 2013-07-09 16:03:07 UTC | Edited by: Ace Uoweme

Aidan Brooder wrote:

Ace Uoweme wrote:

Are you still playing with toy blocks, too? Or does your "My Little Pony" farm capture all your attention?
Careful, Ace, Rainbow needs a combing!

You're playing EvE now.

Says enough. Lol

On a serious note. Wonder why McDonald's sells the most hamburgers in the world? Not because they're the best ever. Not because they're the cheapest. It's because their marketing isn't based on negatives. Burger King and Wendy's has to rely on negative advertising, but they'll never unseat McDonald's.

So, if you ever want EvE to grow, think and market the game positively.

The "WoW killers" won't kill it, nor some bittervet comments from Timbuktu.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell


Ace Uoweme Republic Military School Minmatar Republic Likes received: 517	#28 - 2013-07-09 16:15:28 UTC Kijo Rikki wrote: Ace is Bobby Kotick in disguise. That's Activision-Blizzard. And I play Battlefield, not CoD, and long before I played WoW. Barking, up the wrong tree as always. _"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell

Kijo Rikki

Killboard Padding Services

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#29 - 2013-07-09 16:20:21 UTC

Ace Uoweme wrote:

Kijo Rikki wrote:

Ace is Bobby Kotick in disguise.

That's Activision-Blizzard.

And I play Battlefield, not CoD, and long before I played WoW. Pirate

Barking, up the wrong tree as always.

Not really barking up a tree, I'm just having fun. Smile

Honestly, you do bring up WoW alot, and its a bit of irony to preach the merits of it to a crowd that I'm fairly sure migrated here from it at some point.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam.

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ISD Cura Ursus ISD Community Communications Liaisons ISD Alliance Likes received: 342	#30 - 2013-07-09 16:21:07 UTC Thread moved to OOPE. ISD Cura Ursus Lieutenant Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Aidan Brooder

Dynasphere Ltd.

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#31 - 2013-07-09 16:25:06 UTC | Edited by: Aidan Brooder

Ace Uoweme wrote:

Aidan Brooder wrote:

Ace Uoweme wrote:

Are you still playing with toy blocks, too? Or does your "My Little Pony" farm capture all your attention?
Careful, Ace, Rainbow needs a combing!

You're playing EvE now.

Says enough. Lol

Negative advertising is forbidden where I live.
Also, I don't eat burgers from fast food chains very often, I prefer to prepare them myself.
There is a notable exception: There is a small chain called "Sammy's" in North/Mid Germany. They don't advertise at all.
You can't find them inside cities. They are THE secret tip amongst truckers and I found them by accident when I was moving.

They make the best burgers and you can watch them prepare them. I get hungry just thinking of them. One of the few reasons I sometimes enjoy getting back home.

Now, perhaps that example explains why you are wrong:

Do I play EVE or WOW to make CCP or Blizzard rich? Or do I play EVE because I enjoy the game and don't play WOW because I do not enjoy that game?

Do I go to Sammy's to eat burgers, because their burgers are better? Or do I go to McDonalds, because they have a bigger chain?

Market leader doesn't always mean that they sell the best product, you know?

A million customers can go wrong, and I want EVE to be healthy and grow steadily. But not at the price of EVE losing its character. Just like I wouldn't want Sammy's to become McDonalds...

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GreenSeed

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#32 - 2013-07-09 16:25:08 UTC

Aidan Brooder wrote:

But I truly hope WOW endures a while longer otherwise the market is flooded with people who don't remember what a challenge is anymore.

this this, a million times this.

i know its easy beating on a dead horse, but please don't... do CPR on it if you can.

if the wow people get there, before you know it you'll start to see threads like "oh, but wheres the endgame?" "i think x should be removed... its a quality of life issue" "can we get battlegrounds and pvp only ships?"

think this with a cool head, wow dying is just about the worst thing that could happen for every other mmo.

games like rift, planetside2, eve, who after years and years managed to get a community that knows that games are not to be made following a simple logic of "minimize frustration, maximize gratification" like wow is, will face an exodus of the worst kind of gamers in history, the entitled kind.

Machiavellian Space Bastards 28,489
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards Likes received: 28,489	#33 - 2013-07-09 18:19:58 UTC 1 Much as I found WoW not to my taste, I hope it doesn't die any time soon because the next expansion might tempt certain people to GBTW and stop shitting up our forums with their crap. In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded. New Player FAQ Feyd's Survival Pack

Kult Altol

The Safe Space

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#34 - 2013-07-09 18:29:33 UTC | Edited by: Kult Altol

I hope every player from WoW subscribes to eve, and makes a giant hi security goon swarm.

Once that is complete, unleash their forum warriors and convert all of Eve to hi sec.

Serious meta game.

[u]Can't wait untill when Eve online is Freemium.[/u] WiS only 10$, SP booster for one month 15$, DPS Boost 2$, EHP Boost 2$ Real money trading hub! Cosmeitic ship skins 15$ --> If you don't [u]pay **[/u]for a product, you ARE the [u]**product[/u].

Kings Gambit Black 2,444
Micheal Dietrich Kings Gambit Black Likes received: 2,444	#35 - 2013-07-09 18:45:12 UTC 3 Thefuckisthisshit? Seriously, stop dropping off GD's fails in OOPE. We didn't ask for it, and we certainly don't want it. Out of Pod is getting In the Pod - Join in game channel IG OOPE


Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards Likes received: 28,489	#36 - 2013-07-09 18:49:57 UTC 3 Micheal Dietrich wrote: Thefuckisthisshit? Seriously, stop dropping off GD's fails in OOPE. We didn't ask for it, and we certainly don't want it. They're trying to kill the last bastion of sanity on the forums In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded. New Player FAQ Feyd's Survival Pack

The Troll Bridge 23,523
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge Likes received: 23,523	#37 - 2013-07-09 18:52:25 UTC Whats a WoW? is it like a Jita? *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*


Kijo Rikki Killboard Padding Services Likes received: 910	#38 - 2013-07-09 19:18:31 UTC World of Wyverns. You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam.


Kult Altol The Safe Space Likes received: 685	#39 - 2013-07-09 19:47:05 UTC Out of pod and features and ideas, is where great discussions go to die. [u]Can't wait untill when Eve online is Freemium.[/u] WiS only 10$, SP booster for one month 15$, DPS Boost 2$, EHP Boost 2$ Real money trading hub! Cosmeitic ship skins 15$ --> If you don't [u]pay [/u]for a product, you ARE the [u]product[/u].