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Why the PVE of the game is so bad?

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#41 - 2013-07-09 17:31:20 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Tzar Sinak wrote:
Introduce sleeper incursions into k space. Randomize incursion ship types and numbers. Allow incursion rats to attack POSes in k space. Allow sleepers to attack POSes in w space.

Mandatory PVE is something we need less of in this game, not more.



True, but you must admit that it would be interesting if the Sanshas interdicted, say, a trade hub, now and then.

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Johan Toralen
IIIJIIIITIIII
#42 - 2013-07-09 17:38:43 UTC
The player who mentioned dynamic content has hit the nail on the head.

PVE grind will never be super awesome but thers still a lot that can be done to spice it up and make it a little less mind numbing.
YuuKnow
The Scope
#43 - 2013-07-09 17:49:28 UTC
Its not bad.

Most of the hardest PvE is however in areas that are vulnerable to PvP ganks, so its just not accessible to those not in combined PvP and PvE corps.

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Darco Aldent
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2013-07-09 17:51:29 UTC
How about 5 players on a team of constantly spawning ships vs the same in a dead space poket vs an oposite team . Just because LoL is the only game i spent incredible amount of time , there must be something that increases replayability and its hidden in that kind of games .
Disastro
Wrecking Shots
#45 - 2013-07-09 18:19:19 UTC
Onquaber wrote:
Mining, missions, anomalies, all boring activities. I didn't any incursions yet but they seem like more difficult missions and always the same.

You will say its a pvp game, ok. If no one mines, do missions or kill rats there will be no economy so no pvp.

Many people do the boring stuff to finance their pvp.

I've tried FW and it was fun, a pve/pvp mix. But there should be more things to do in high low and null sec.

Why the pve cant be fun?





Well i can tell you man. PVE may seem boring to you in EVE but be thankful that this game is the way it is. Ive played many other mmorpgs where you spend all your time grinding for "experience points" instead of grinding for money. With isk grinding you can do as little or as much as you want to and your character still progresses. In many of those other games you have no choice If you want to move forward you have to do endless PVE grinding. Everquest I played for years. I spent 90% of the time grinding experience points and maybe 10% raiding. And that was in the highest raid guilds in that game. It wasnt a choice. Everyone wanted to be at max level before went out raiding. On every toon.

You dont have those issues in EVE. Yeah mining and missioning and ratting are boring. At least you can take a break from it when you dont feel like doing it.
Rik Perie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2013-07-09 18:28:34 UTC
Maxpie wrote:
I wish devs could explore player created missions. We have a small taste of it with courier contracts. I think there could be a lot of potential in giving players the ability to create agent-style missions. Maybe even include pvp type player missions.


I was thinking this the other day. The one big problem I have with missions is that they are the same over and over. Just with a name changed or a location. With player created content like a, "The Foundry" for EVE, players would be able to make missions for others and the story and missions would be more diverse. CCP would only have to create the tools once, then let the players have at it. I know there would have to be restrictions on this to stop exploiting. But I think it could work.
Kalpel
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#47 - 2013-07-09 18:41:24 UTC
Onquaber wrote:
Mining, missions, anomalies, all boring activities. I didn't any incursions yet but they seem like more difficult missions and always the same.

You will say its a pvp game, ok. If no one mines, do missions or kill rats there will be no economy so no pvp.

Many people do the boring stuff to finance their pvp.

I've tried FW and it was fun, a pve/pvp mix. But there should be more things to do in high low and null sec.

Why the pve cant be fun?





Agreed, I've played EvE off and on since 2003 ..... this last update has just killed the game for me, I use to PvP and after 7 years tried my hand at PvE, since CCP removed T3's from High Sec DED's , I removed EvE online from my computer.

Thanks all, it was fun .... especially the Fountain War and the removal of IT from it! lol

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2013-07-09 18:46:04 UTC
Confirming participating in a L5 (and this also included C5/C6 WormHoles) in a cruiser is a lot of fun.

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Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#49 - 2013-07-09 18:51:01 UTC
Antaria T'nar wrote:
i see problems and no solutions

go on, spin us a mechanic that doesnt get boring the 100th time you do it



Adding new missions after 10 years would be nice... just saying

Tal

Verunae Caseti
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2013-07-09 19:14:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Verunae Caseti
EVE is not WoW and never will be. It is not a game designed to support both long-term PvE and long-term PvP content. You are supposed to use the PvE to fuel and fund PvP interactions whether you yourself are engaged in PvP or your actions are funding the PvP activities of others elsewhere in the game via the corporation and alliance mechanics, EVE is a PvP game. It always has been and CCP makes that clear year after year by focusing their development efforts on improving and expanding the options available to PvP players while making sure the PvE content is "good enough" to keep people from ripping out their hair.

Playing EVE as only PvE is like playing poker for play money. Sure, the rules are all the same and you get to see how the game works, but you're not REALLY playing.

Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Adding new missions after 10 years would be nice... just saying


Case in point. Why haven't they?

Because EVE is a PvP game. The mission is rival players and corporations, and those are changing every day.
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#51 - 2013-07-09 19:27:52 UTC
Why can't I have your stuff?

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#52 - 2013-07-09 19:48:56 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Verunae Caseti wrote:

Playing EVE as only PvE is like playing poker for play money. Sure, the rules are all the same and you get to see how the game works, but you're not REALLY playing.


This is true, but when you play EVE as PVP, u arent playing poker with real money either, you're still playing with fake money but against other people, online.

Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Adding new missions after 10 years would be nice... just saying


Verunae Caseti wrote:

Case in point. Why haven't they?

Because EVE is a PvP game. The mission is rival players and corporations, and those are changing every day.


No, because EVE devs are square minded and lack the vision, creativity and pro-activity to enrich a sci-fi game. NOBODY that works in EVE development at the moment is one of the game creators, those yes had a vision and created good lore, but is something that needs to be worked on if you want the game to not rot and die. All the current EVE devs do is use forum alts like urself to try to shut people up with this eleet pvp ranting to keep being lazy bums milking a crowd for money without doing anything.
Nox Solitudo
That Random Worker Ant Colony
#53 - 2013-07-09 19:51:07 UTC
Onquaber wrote:
Mining, missions, anomalies, all boring activities. I didn't any incursions yet but they seem like more difficult missions and always the same.

You will say its a pvp game, ok. If no one mines, do missions or kill rats there will be no economy so no pvp.

Many people do the boring stuff to finance their pvp.

I've tried FW and it was fun, a pve/pvp mix. But there should be more things to do in high low and null sec.

Why the pve cant be fun?





Do something else?
Verunae Caseti
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#54 - 2013-07-09 19:52:55 UTC
[quote=raven666wings]but is something that needs to be worked on if you want the game to not rot and die. /quote]

EVE is a decade old. If it "rots and dies" now it will still be a massive success and one of the longest-running MMO's in history.

But I'm sure the DEVs need advice from you on "creativity and vision."
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#55 - 2013-07-09 19:54:01 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Verunae Caseti wrote:
[quote=raven666wings]but is something that needs to be worked on if you want the game to not rot and die. /quote]

EVE is a decade old. If it "rots and dies" now it will still be a massive success and one of the longest-running MMO's in history.

But I'm sure the DEVs need advice from you on "creativity and vision."


they sure do, but im not a CCP Dev and i dont work for free (plus, i have already made plenty free of charge suggestions on the forums that they can use to make the game better) neither am i interested in joining such a corporation run with a fascist hierarchy and applying savage capitalist business practices with hires like this EA guy
Spenser for Hire
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#56 - 2013-07-09 19:59:35 UTC
Antaria T'nar wrote:
i see problems and no solutions

go on, spin us a mechanic that doesnt get boring the 100th time you do it

League of Legends.

I've played more than 3000 of the various games.
Still a blast!

Don't ask me to post with my main! You post with your main first!
Six Six Six
Doomheim
#57 - 2013-07-09 20:02:49 UTC
raven666wings wrote:
Verunae Caseti wrote:
[quote=raven666wings]but is something that needs to be worked on if you want the game to not rot and die. /quote]

EVE is a decade old. If it "rots and dies" now it will still be a massive success and one of the longest-running MMO's in history.

But I'm sure the DEVs need advice from you on "creativity and vision."


they sure do, but im not a CCP Dev and i dont work for free, neither am i interested in joining such a corporation run with a fascist hierarchy and applying savage capitalist business practices with hires like this EA guy



You still here, thought you would be off playing that perfect game GW2, instead of slagging this one off. Guess I was right GW2 isn't even close to perfect if you find the GD forums more entertaining.
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#58 - 2013-07-09 20:06:36 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Six Six Six wrote:
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You still here, thought you would be off playing that perfect game GW2, instead of slagging this one off. Guess I was right GW2 isn't even close to perfect if you find the GD forums more entertaining.


*CCP damage control alt 2 detected*

sweety, its way too hot where i am, and right now EVE is the only game i can play because my laptop will overheat and turn off with games like gw2 lololol

i admit, this is one of the drawbacks when u play a video game with a 21st century graphic and physics engine
Verunae Caseti
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2013-07-09 20:08:57 UTC
raven666wings wrote:
applying savage capitalist business practices with hires like this EA guy


Which practices are those? Be specific. Which changes to EVE have come from "this EA guy?"

What's that, absolutely nothing?

You're just completely full of ****?

Weird.
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#60 - 2013-07-09 20:15:43 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
omg have u seen this thread? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=254876&p=1
have u looked at some of the comments made by the playerbase? check it out!