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how to beat tech 2 guns with tech 1?

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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2013-07-09 14:38:53 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Lavititcus wrote:

Make up a skill plan, I assume you've downloaded such tools as EveMon and EFT? Look around for fits on BattleClinic, find one


I've got EveMon but I see no use for it. All you can do is put in a API and select virtual skills to train but it doesn't give you any plans to put in and BattleClinic doesn't appear to have an archive of them or anything so really its just a rather pointless item on my hard drive at the moment. I can see the requirement for a certain ship in game much more easily.


Right on top of Evemon shows "Plans" click it and fill out a skill plan. From there you can figure out remap points and more. And do pay attention to the core skills, because that will allow you to fit better ships...and survive an onslaught (as there's no shortcuts to leveling skills). Pure combat skill leveling = just die already.

Best way to train is by doing missions, as you can test which fit goes against which faction (by the time you have Battleships V, you'll know all the fits...and have the skills to fit everything). PvE pushes you differently than PvP (like how skills really mean a lot), where PvP it pushes "hands on" training. You'll need both to be a good fighter in game.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell

Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#62 - 2013-07-09 14:56:32 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:


I am but half the time it isn't doing any good. I wasn't using rigs so I trained rigs after suggestions on the forum. I lasted 10 seconds more. I train a bit more, my frigate and pod is blown to bits in a gate camp by battlecruisers. I complain about it on the forum. People say I shouldn't play this game. I give up in frustration and go back to mining to rebuild my lost founds.

I try to PvP again and again and each time I just die instantly.


To put it bluntly, welcome to EvE. To be a bit more gentle, you make a critical comment, in a way that dismisses it entirely. You said that you trained the rigs and lasted 10 seconds more. Congratulations, you just took your first step without apparently realizing it, and thus thrust yourself about 20 feet back.

You trained 1 thing, and got a nice little boost (10 seconds in a frigate is actually pretty big). You're going up against people who have trained 10 things, all for similar boosts. Keep training, and you'll add 5 seconds here, 10 seconds there, and eventually, you'll find that instead of surviving for 30 seconds, you're surviving for 60 second, 90 seconds, 120 seconds. Sometimes, a battle simply comes down to a war of attrition, and if you can outlive the other guy, you've still won the battle.

Keep at it; EvE isn't a game about a single skill making you incredibly powerful, it's about 100 skills (or more accurately, 20 at 5 levels each), each of which provide a small boost that would be insignificant on its own, but which add together to create a powerful force.

EvE is focused on the long-haul. You appear to be focused on the here-and-now. That is a mindset you'll need to get out of in order to really step up your game.
Mildew Wolf
#63 - 2013-07-09 15:43:16 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
Two words;

"Range Control"

Lets say I am flying a T1 Breacher with all T1 gear. I equip 2 webs, 1 scram, an afterburner and some other thing. I use rockets as my weapon of choice. I attack a Harpy (tech 2 assault frig) with T2 blasters. He pumps out a very very large amount of DPS. No way I could beat him right? Wrong.

Orbit at 8000m and fire. Guess what? Harpy can't leave or get closer because I have 2 webs and a scram on him. He can't hit me either. I am well well well out of his range. Breacher wins. Cue applause.



wow i guess that dude should have tried null... but that is a good point too: eve is full of terrible pvpers. you just need to find someone relatively worse than yourself )))
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#64 - 2013-07-09 16:18:01 UTC
OP, before I eject this thread, I will add this:

You are either trolling, or being ignorant.

I'll assume you're just being ignorant.

There is very good advice available in this thread. Yet on every page I see you arguing against it with some sort of excuse as to why it won't work for you. With that attitude, you are correct: you will always suck at PvP, and everyone will always beat you. I don't care what tech level your fitting is.

Join FW. It doesn't matter what side. Whoever you have the standings for. There was a poster in this thread that offered you 10 free ships. Take them up on it.

Go spin plexes. You'll earn LP, and you will get fights. You can convert the LP into ISK that will help you buy more ships, because you will lose them. Tell your aforementioned patron what you learn each time you die, and keep up on that offer to get more ships, too.

You're Caldari and seem pretty married to missiles. Fit up a rocket Kestrel with a TD, and take fights with turret boats. Scram, web, and TD them, orbit at 7-8k, and see what happens. If you're looking to be in the plex, fit up a light missile Condor. Learn to kite with it by orbiting or holding at range. It's way easier than doing it with a turret boat.

Contact Agony Unleashed. They have a very good starter PvP class, and many times you can get your tuition paid for by SOMER Blink, so it won't cost you anything but a handful of inexpensive frigates. This class is well worth taking if you're new to PvP. You'll learn more by doing with teaching help than we can ever tell you in this thread.
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#65 - 2013-07-09 16:49:40 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:

Join FW. It doesn't matter what side. Whoever you have the standings for. There was a poster in this thread that offered you 10 free ships. Take them up on it.
.


where?

I see no offer are ship offers in this game done by cyptic codewords that a new player can't understand?
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#66 - 2013-07-09 16:57:20 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:

Join FW. It doesn't matter what side. Whoever you have the standings for. There was a poster in this thread that offered you 10 free ships. Take them up on it.
.


where?


Dock up in a station. Click the 'Militia' button under station services. I think you can also join through the militia window available on your Necom. E -> Business -> Militia.

Paul Otichoda wrote:


I see no offer are ship offers in this game done by cyptic codewords that a new player can't understand?


Free Ship Offer

No cryptic code words. Read the last paragraph in Andrea Griffin's post I linked above. That's a sweet deal.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#67 - 2013-07-09 17:04:06 UTC
Haramir Haleths wrote:
T2 guns are not better then T1 Meta 4 guns.

Actually they are. 2% more damage for every level of the specialization skill. That's 10% more damage at lvl 5.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2013-07-09 17:13:15 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:

Join FW. It doesn't matter what side. Whoever you have the standings for. There was a poster in this thread that offered you 10 free ships. Take them up on it.
.


where?

I see no offer are ship offers in this game done by cyptic codewords that a new player can't understand?


I'm thinking you're pushing the "new guy" routine a tad far, from reading your other posts. Might want to be an actual new player, as everything a player knows about EvE you do the exact opposite, and if new to the game, can figure out in about an hour at Battleclinic.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell

The VC's
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2013-07-09 17:15:40 UTC
Paul Otichoda is a troll. Stop posting in his threads.
Quinn Corvez
Perkone
Caldari State
#70 - 2013-07-09 17:21:04 UTC
You are losing because you fail fit your ships and try to take on 2 - 3 targets at a time. Nothing to do with T2 guns.
Templar Knightsbane
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#71 - 2013-07-09 17:21:38 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Templar Knightsbane wrote:

Also you can use the D-Scan to look and see if there are people sat at the gate, although granted you wont be able to see cloaked ship if they are cloaked and decloak you have 5 seconds before they can target you which is ample for any frigate to warp out of there.


my main problem with gate camps come from jumping through a gate to see 3 or 4 warships on the other side who hit me with a strength 6 webifier so powerful that I can't move in my frigate at all or warp out then destroy me just for existing. I tried the famous cloak/MWD trick on my cloaker salvager one time in Tama and it didn't work. They webbed me and then shot me before I had ever fully decloaked.


Ok. these are actually really good lessons you are learning!

Every low-sec veteran knows that Tama is a system that is heavily camped. You know this now, but dont think that all of low sec is like this, it isnt, usually these gate camps are dotted around a few systems and the edge of HS, Ami, Old Man Star, Heydillies are examples of systems that are camped often and heavily.

Always fit a frigate with a Nanofiber II for a quicker align time.

If you jump through a gate into a camp and think that you will not be able to warp before you are targeted and tackled burn back to the gate. Any frigate fitted with a nanofiber has a good chance of making it back. To clarify you click approach to the gate you just came through and instantly hit your MWD. By the time even the fastest of locking ships has targeted you the likelihood will be that you are in jump range and can jump back. Of course there will be the odd time you die, but learning how to move through low sec in a frigate is a very important part of the learning curve of EVE.

If you haven't already got the skill Evasive Manouvering @ 5 you should spend a week to train it up. Its essential and will help you get past these camps. Another thing you can do is fit some warp core stabilzers in your low slots and then switch them out when you reach you destination.

Also if the cloak/MWD trick didnt work, dont think it doesn't work, try it again until it does. You dont have to be in lowsec to practice this either, spend a little time doing it in HS until you can do it smoothly, The aim is to be aligned and at a good speed by the time you uncloak and then you will enter warp instantly giving people no time to target and tackle you.

Align > Cloak > MWD > Wait until the cycle of the MWD is very nearly finished > Uncloak > Hit warp

The key is timing and its a very good thing to be able to do.

Also the guy who offered to buy you 10 T1 frigates is a example of the sort of player that makes EVE awesome. For you taking him up on that offer will not only get you some free ships but also he will help you analyze what went wrong and if the loss could have been avoided +1 to that guy. I would defo get in touch.

Anazlye what happened when you died down to the last detail this is how you get better at PVP in EVE. Sometimes its not your fault and theres nothing you could have done, but a lot of the time, there is a lesson to be learned, even if that lesson is avoiding Tama!

Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#72 - 2013-07-09 17:35:29 UTC
Pick your fights depending on the Ship you are in.

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