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Drone mods should affect Fighters
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Lee Dalton
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-07-09 09:53:56 UTC
Drone Damage Mods, Omnis, etc should be usable on carriers and affect the fighters.

(N.B. This should not necessarily apply to SCs and FBs)
Lee Dalton
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-07-09 09:54:19 UTC
(Or at least edit the tooltips if you won't change this vOv)
George Boothe
Blootered Bastards
#3 - 2013-07-09 09:57:30 UTC
You make a compelling argument!
I especially like the part were you went into depth on the pros and cons of your proposed idea and how carrier gameplay in all its facettes will be affected.
Mr Doctor
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2013-07-09 10:06:13 UTC
Carriers arent for DPS and Supers have enough DPS.

End of line.
Lallante
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#5 - 2013-07-09 10:35:30 UTC
Carriers/Fighters are not in need of this heavy buff, so no.
Frosty White
Nifty Idustries
Pandemic Horde
#6 - 2013-07-09 11:13:18 UTC
Fighters on Carriers are essentially useless since Sentries do almost the same DPS, are 1/20th of the cost and apply damage instantly without travel time.

To make Fighter somewhat useful, I'd say having Drone damage Amps apply to Fighters makes perfect sense.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-07-09 12:51:30 UTC
DDAs no, fighter damage is fine.
All the rest and rigs, yes they should effect fighters also.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Sonja Anthari
Anthari Syndicate
#8 - 2013-07-09 17:45:37 UTC
I would completely agree with this *IF*

They only affected fighters and gave NO bonus to fighter bombers. That would answer the problem of making fighter bombers way too OP. Otherwise I see no problem with this idea.
Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#9 - 2013-07-09 17:58:19 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
DDAs no, fighter damage is fine.
All the rest and rigs, yes they should effect fighters also.

Oh it's absolutely fine, since fighters hardly out dps sentries besides on the thanatos

"The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! pops more corn" ---Evernub--
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-07-09 18:30:23 UTC
Drake Doe wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
DDAs no, fighter damage is fine.
All the rest and rigs, yes they should effect fighters also.

Oh it's absolutely fine, since fighters hardly out dps sentries besides on the thanatos

Carrier with 15 sentries, 900dps + 2 DDAs 1287dps
Carrier with 15 fighters 1500dps

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#11 - 2013-07-09 18:41:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Drake Doe
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Drake Doe wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
DDAs no, fighter damage is fine.
All the rest and rigs, yes they should effect fighters also.

Oh it's absolutely fine, since fighters hardly out dps sentries besides on the thanatos

Carrier with 15 sentries, 900dps + 2 DDAs 1287dps
Carrier with 15 fighters 1500dps

So a few hundred dps which can be negated by flight time if the target is more than a few km away, not to mention how easy it is to carry spare sentries compared to spare fighters.

Edit: I probably shouldn't comment on something I haven't used firsthand, but I trust what people in my corp and
alliance say about drones and fighters.

"The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! pops more corn" ---Evernub--
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-07-09 19:03:24 UTC
Those are Damae application issues which fighters need help with badly, hence why I feel they should gain the benefit from the drone mods, but there raw DPS is fine.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Dark Drifter
Sons of Seyllin
Pirate Lords of War
#13 - 2013-07-09 19:04:11 UTC
everyone seems to have missed the point that a fighter is not a drone...
all the mods on your ship are directly connected to you. (including drones)

a fighter / FB is a piloted craft it for all intensive purposes is an autonomous craft. the only reason you can order it
around is because its pilot follows your orders.

supers and carriers get bonuses to fighters/FBs because they already have the hardware built in. (no mods needed)

think of the *drone control unit* as having an extra launch tube installed on your ship
George Boothe
Blootered Bastards
#14 - 2013-07-09 19:25:04 UTC
As opposed to my prior post, I will actually give some input.
Big difference between fighters and Sentries is, that fighters can leave the grid while sentries cannot.
Giving Fighters even more dps will only promote the use of carriers as "That ship right next to our pos that sends us 2k extra dps".
If you just look at dps comparision, sentries and fighters are quite equal, but their use is totally different and therefore I do not believe that the dps should be substantially different.
Just to remind people, that if a serious discussion about the merits of DDAs affecting fighters should take place, one has to take into account every single role that a carrier can fill at the moment, and how that would change.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-07-09 20:18:36 UTC
Dark Drifter wrote:
everyone seems to have missed the point that a fighter is not a drone...
all the mods on your ship are directly connected to you. (including drones)

a fighter / FB is a piloted craft it for all intensive purposes is an autonomous craft. the only reason you can order it
around is because its pilot follows your orders.

supers and carriers get bonuses to fighters/FBs because they already have the hardware built in. (no mods needed)

think of the *drone control unit* as having an extra launch tube installed on your ship




Mostly agree with this but I'd actually like to Carriers bonus applying to all drones and not just fighters. Bear

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Radhe Amatin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-07-10 07:09:53 UTC
Both sentries and fighter have their uses......
Sentries are good if u want your carrier on grid to shot stuff ... as for fighters you can always sit 0 on the station or nose out of pos in a carrier and assign fighters to your friends or to your alt do go ratting or what ever they or you want to do in system.
Asa Shahni
Inevitable Outcome
E.C.H.O
#17 - 2013-07-10 14:31:01 UTC
I dont see the point ...if we do it we will have to deal with disposable carrier blob ...just like you do with supers now but 10 times bigger and 10 times cheaper ..PL has enough toys to play with as it is Roll
Lee Dalton
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2013-07-20 23:31:09 UTC
Asa Shahni wrote:
I dont see the point ...if we do it we will have to deal with disposable carrier blob ...just like you do with supers now but 10 times bigger and 10 times cheaper ..PL has enough toys to play with as it is Roll


Carriers are the new Domi.
Ellendras Silver
CrashCat Corporation
#19 - 2013-07-21 00:24:12 UTC
Drake Doe wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Drake Doe wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
DDAs no, fighter damage is fine.
All the rest and rigs, yes they should effect fighters also.

Oh it's absolutely fine, since fighters hardly out dps sentries besides on the thanatos

Carrier with 15 sentries, 900dps + 2 DDAs 1287dps
Carrier with 15 fighters 1500dps

So a few hundred dps which can be negated by flight time if the target is more than a few km away, not to mention how easy it is to carry spare sentries compared to spare fighters.

Edit: I probably shouldn't comment on something I haven't used firsthand, but I trust what people in my corp and
alliance say about drones and fighters.


ofc but with sentries you are a sitting duck as you cant move

[u]Carpe noctem[/u]
Ellendras Silver
CrashCat Corporation
#20 - 2013-07-21 00:27:17 UTC
Asa Shahni wrote:
I dont see the point ...if we do it we will have to deal with disposable carrier blob ...just like you do with supers now but 10 times bigger and 10 times cheaper ..PL has enough toys to play with as it is Roll


yeah dont do it because of PL dumbest reason i heard so far.... PL has so many caps it realy doesnt matter how or what they can outblob anything.

[u]Carpe noctem[/u]
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