EVE General Discussion

Well, see, their you again thinking this has any "affect" on my game. You're welcome to keep trying to guess though...this is fun. :)

nobody really knows nor cares what you do in empire

Wow...a genius...I might send you a billion ISK for getting the right answer! I do not care what the people in low and null do, just as much as you care very little for what we in high-sec do...and there really isn't anything that the null and low sec people can do that really has any impact on my game play. You can shoot each other in the face until the Universe comes to and end and guess what? I don't care!

Well, you seem to think that anything can "affect" my game play in EVE - that takes place in null and low sec. You seem to think that null and low sec has this great impact on my game play and I am still waiting patiently to hear how null and low sec "affects" my game play.

True, but that requires the political will to enact such laws and then have the gonads to fund and perform the due process of actual enforcement.

And even then the "bean-counters" will insist it's the "big fish" that are caught to justify the expense to the taxpayers.

Anything is possible, but that's how it will play out more often than not.

There is no EVE circle of life and if you honestly think there is...are you sure you are playing the same game I am? Maybe in your mind you believe that what happens in null and low sec impacts my game - but that is simply in your own mind.

Name one thing that Null players do that can affect a High-sec player's game? Should be easy, though my list may need tweaking as I've only a couple months of experience here. My research may thus be incomplete or contain a misunderstanding. If so, I'd appreciate any information to correct the flaws. For credentials, I'm a High-sec player, though I do plan on expanding.

1. Mining barges and many other ships above frigate class require the mineral Megacyte to build. Megacyte mainly comes from Null-Sec mining. Wormhole J-space can also provide this mineral, but not in the same volume as Null.

2. Tech II stuff needs Morphite, which is another Null-sec product. They also need moon mining materials, which unlike regular mining needs a base orbiting a moon with certain modules equipped. Moon mining is Low/Null exclusive. Neither High nor J-space can provide "Moon Goo."

3. Null wars cause a bunch of ships to explode out there. This results in needing replacements, creating additional demand for minerals, ship modules, ammunition, and hulls. Whether you mine or mission or hunt NPCs, when you sell the result on the market, it may be a Null player buying it. Also, blue and purple modules, Officer and Dead Space respectively?, come from Null, supplying the High-sec mission runners and miners who want shiny things in their ships.

4. Up until recently Tech II production was under 100% control of a NullSec coalition, Goonswarm if I remember correctly, because they owned every source of a specific Moon Material, Technetium, that was until Odyssey expansion required to make Tech II things.

5. If Ice Mining is your High-sec thing, those moon bases I mentioned need fuel blocks made from the refined materials of ice to even power themselves. Granted, there is ice in Low and Null as well, so they don't need High-sec Ice, but they may still buy the materials or fuel while they're up in Jita buying Tritanium so as to not need to mine Veldspar out there. Also, J-space can't have ice, so they need to import. Since the trade hubs are in High-sec and most likely filled with High-sec ice, that's what wormhole dwellers buy.

6. Speaking of Low/Null and ice, Titans. These massive ships, the biggest in the game, can act as mobile star gates, allowing fleets to bounce around great distances skipping some of the actual star gates along the way. They need something from Ice to work. I think Cynosural field generators also use ice water, and bases, dreadnoughts, and that Rorqual industrial cap use Strontium Castrates to do stuff. More demand for ice.

7. As touched in 5: Null players may buy the minerals acquired by High-sec mining to save time and hassle for the Null miners, so they don't need to mine those same ores and can focus on getting the shiny ones. They could also just send some of there miners to High-sec to mine those same ores themselves, thus increasing competition in the belts and reducing the amount their alliance may need to buy from High-sec markets.

8. In addition to game-mechanic based effects, the Null players can choose to do things to High-sec players, funded by their Null income methods(which are invariably better than High-sec income of the same type). Some examples:
- Hulkageddon, wherein they - Goons I think it was? - call open season on ALL the mining barges, and pay based on the amount destroyed, and I think types, using Null money. These may have also inspired the formation of the Knights of the New Order, who perform a perpetual but smaller scale version of the Hulkageddon on those who don't buy their permits.
- Burn Jita 1 & 2. Goonswarm killed ships flying to and from Jita, which put a dent on High-sec market.
- Miniluv, where Goons (seeing a pattern here? lol) go about killing freighters because they can. This will hit the market.

9. Null Alliance members campaign for CSM along with other players, and those making it into the CSM can guide CCP's development of EVE by representing the player base as a whole. Also, some of CCP's staff have played EVE amongst us prior to hiring, and some of them may have been in Null Alliances.

CCP do not stop this behavior because this is what EVE is like. people can be bullies, but so can you, and bully behavior can be countered.

more on this in the next episode of "oh what am I thinking, idiots will always be idiots."

great, nobody cares