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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-07-09 00:54:27 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Show us on the barge doll where the bad men from the new order touched you.....

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Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#22 - 2013-07-09 00:55:02 UTC
Amnesiaa Haze wrote:
You're playing the wrong game... the game is not about chewing rocks in Hisec belts and "running level 4's"...

The way the game is designed... it just so happens to fall into place that you have the ability to do so, but that is not what the game is about...


The game is about... this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=256142&find=unread

Great wars, 1000's of players fighting, Victory/Defeats & Tears, Alliances, Coalitions, Sovereignty, Trust, Backstabbing, Wealth and Power.


As a Hisec miner chewing spacerocks in your mining frigate while you play WoT and LoL in another window... you're INSIGNIFICANT, you're just an individual with no cause... nobody CARES, CCP doesn't CARE, just shut up and keep mining... or unsubscribe and play something else.


Nothing in EVE is insignificant. Looking at your haircut, e.g. makes me remember how much I hated late 80ies female haircuts...

Aside from that, EVE is what you make it... Totally boring, totally cool. About TiDi'ed megawars or about other stuff you can come up with...

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-07-09 00:55:47 UTC
Amnesiaa Haze wrote:
You're playing the wrong game... the game is not about chewing rocks in Hisec belts and "running level 4's"...

The way the game is designed... it just so happens to fall into place that you have the ability to do so, but that is not what the game is about...


The game is about... this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=256142&find=unread

Great wars, 1000's of players fighting, Victory/Defeats & Tears, Alliances, Coalitions, Sovereignty, Trust, Backstabbing, Wealth and Power.


As a Hisec miner chewing spacerocks in your mining frigate while you play WoT and LoL in another window... you're INSIGNIFICANT, you're just an individual with no cause... nobody CARES, CCP doesn't CARE, just shut up and keep mining... or unsubscribe and play something else.


Wow. That is the most tardbartastic elistist view I have seen anyone spew in a while.

Just because you don't belong to a null-sec alliance doesn't mean CCP cares less about your money.

Sure, you aren't going to be making gaming news, but people who enjoy playing by themselves and are enjoying it aren't doing anything wrong.

Secondly, I wonder how all those ships the alliances lose on a daily basis were made?

Certainly they didn't call CCP and ask them to put ore in their hangers.

Someone mined it and given that most pvp people don't like to mine, I believe it is safe to say someone who doesn't participate directly in the alliance wars somehow aquired it through shooting rocks in high sec somewhere.

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Amnesiaa Haze
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2013-07-09 01:22:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Amnesiaa Haze
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Amnesiaa Haze wrote:
You're playing the wrong game... the game is not about chewing rocks in Hisec belts and "running level 4's"...

The way the game is designed... it just so happens to fall into place that you have the ability to do so, but that is not what the game is about...


The game is about... this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=256142&find=unread

Great wars, 1000's of players fighting, Victory/Defeats & Tears, Alliances, Coalitions, Sovereignty, Trust, Backstabbing, Wealth and Power.


As a Hisec miner chewing spacerocks in your mining frigate while you play WoT and LoL in another window... you're INSIGNIFICANT, you're just an individual with no cause... nobody CARES, CCP doesn't CARE, just shut up and keep mining... or unsubscribe and play something else.


Wow. That is the most tardbartastic elistist view I have seen anyone spew in a while.

Just because you don't belong to a null-sec alliance doesn't mean CCP cares less about your money.

Sure, you aren't going to be making gaming news, but people who enjoy playing by themselves and are enjoying it aren't doing anything wrong.

Secondly, I wonder how all those ships the alliances lose on a daily basis were made?

Certainly they didn't call CCP and ask them to put ore in their hangers.

Someone mined it and given that most pvp people don't like to mine, I believe it is safe to say someone who doesn't participate directly in the alliance wars somehow aquired it through shooting rocks in high sec somewhere.


Alliances have their own resources, in all respects.
Trust me, Alliances do not rely on lone Hisec miners to supply their war efforts.


EVE is one big choice, you can do anything you want.... and that works both ways, if me and my friends want to gank you while you're mining.. WE WILL.

If you want to waste your time in EVE mining in Hisec,, YOU WILL.

But coming to the forum and complaining about the game working exactly how it was intended?...

People like that need to open their eyes, read about the history of the game, what actually takes place in EVE, and the future of EVE.

They will be amazed out the complexity and sheer scale of the potential the game has.
While they're on a 0.9 belt mining atseroids alone... they're not even exposed to 0.00001% of what EVE actually is... how could they possibly come to the forum and claim the game is broken when they do not even know what the game is!?
Manfred Hideous
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2013-07-09 01:43:17 UTC
Broe wrote:
Am I correct in assuming that CCP condone what i call griefing PVE players in hi-sec - minibumping/suicede ganking

does this also extend to other activities like "giveup 10% loot from mission or be suiced ganked?"

?

I mine, I do combat mission all in hi-sec. dont have the isk or skill to rumbel in low-0sec.

Question

As isk can buy PLEX and PLEX have a $ value it is nothing but a nasty form of shakedown or moneyracket or blackmail etc.

Does this not pose a problem?






CCP's response.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-07-09 02:10:55 UTC
Amnesiaa Haze wrote:
Alliances have their own resources, in all respects.
Trust me, Alliances do not rely on lone Hisec miners to supply their war efforts.


Wait, what? I thought the current mantra was "Null Sec Industry is broken" and they hate the fact that they have to import everything in jump freighters from Jita.

There have been 40 page threadnaughts of people whining and complaining that Hi-sec industrialists were outperforming Null and that something needs to be done so they don't have to buy from Jita anymore.

And I highly doubt those hi-sec industrialists are buying all their veld from null.

Unless you want to argue that they don't and Null Sec industry is fine.

I'm fine with that answer too.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#27 - 2013-07-09 02:21:20 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Wait, what? I thought the current mantra was "Null Sec Industry is broken" and they hate the fact that they have to import everything in jump freighters from Jita.
It is. That's why all the nullsec industrialists are in highsec. So no, they don't particularly need highsec miners.

Quote:
There have been 40 page threadnaughts of people whining and complaining that Hi-sec industrialists were outperforming Null and that something needs to be done so they don't have to buy from Jita anymore.
I suppose that, being 40 pages long, you skipped over the important bits: the problem has nothing to do with highsec industrialists — it has to do with nullsec industrialists being stuck in highsec unless they want to be hideously inefficient.

Quote:
Unless you want to argue that they don't and Null Sec industry is fine.
Nope. You're just setting up a false dichotomy. Just because nullsec alliances don't need highsec miners to supply their war efforts doesn't mean that nullsec industry isn't broken as hell.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-07-09 02:40:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Tardbar
So what you are saying is that null sec industrialists are really hi-sec industrialists who mine all their ore in null-sec, haul it into high sec hoping to not have the freighter run into a hostile roam or bubble gate camp, build all their stuff there and ship it back to null sec?

It seems rather counter intuitive to run very dangerous mining op to mine billions worth of trit, when you could be doing it safely in high sec so I can see your complaint where Nullsec isn't as great as High for industry.

But if they are mining in high sec that does make them dirty high sec miners...

Look, I know of one person who is building super's in lowsec for nullsec. His main gathering operations are in high sec. He strikes deals with hi-sec miners because he needs billions in trit. I don't know his position in his alliance or what he does in null since he is rather private about that, but apparently he's got a budget and the connections because he buys tons of minerals in bulk.

Also, its not a false dichotomy if one has to be true and one has to be false.

Either Nullsec industry produces everything it needs in nullsec meaning it requires no fix or it doesn't and null buys/builds/imports stuff from high sec meaning null industry needs improvement.

One of these has to be true and the other has to be false. No fancy talk will change this truth.

Pick one.

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Khira Kitamatsu
#29 - 2013-07-09 02:44:55 UTC
Amnesiaa Haze wrote:
You're playing the wrong game... the game is not about chewing rocks in Hisec belts and "running level 4's"...

The way the game is designed... it just so happens to fall into place that you have the ability to do so, but that is not what the game is about...


The game is about... this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=256142&find=unread

Great wars, 1000's of players fighting, Victory/Defeats & Tears, Alliances, Coalitions, Sovereignty, Trust, Backstabbing, Wealth and Power.


As a Hisec miner chewing spacerocks in your mining frigate while you play WoT and LoL in another window... you're INSIGNIFICANT, you're just an individual with no cause... nobody CARES, CCP doesn't CARE, just shut up and keep mining... or unsubscribe and play something else.


Oh hey, I guess CCP should stop marketing their game as a sandbox huh?

Ponies!  We need more ponies!

Khira Kitamatsu
#30 - 2013-07-09 02:48:00 UTC
Amnesiaa Haze wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Amnesiaa Haze wrote:
You're playing the wrong game... the game is not about chewing rocks in Hisec belts and "running level 4's"...

The way the game is designed... it just so happens to fall into place that you have the ability to do so, but that is not what the game is about...


The game is about... this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=256142&find=unread

Great wars, 1000's of players fighting, Victory/Defeats & Tears, Alliances, Coalitions, Sovereignty, Trust, Backstabbing, Wealth and Power.


As a Hisec miner chewing spacerocks in your mining frigate while you play WoT and LoL in another window... you're INSIGNIFICANT, you're just an individual with no cause... nobody CARES, CCP doesn't CARE, just shut up and keep mining... or unsubscribe and play something else.


Wow. That is the most tardbartastic elistist view I have seen anyone spew in a while.

Just because you don't belong to a null-sec alliance doesn't mean CCP cares less about your money.

Sure, you aren't going to be making gaming news, but people who enjoy playing by themselves and are enjoying it aren't doing anything wrong.

Secondly, I wonder how all those ships the alliances lose on a daily basis were made?

Certainly they didn't call CCP and ask them to put ore in their hangers.

Someone mined it and given that most pvp people don't like to mine, I believe it is safe to say someone who doesn't participate directly in the alliance wars somehow aquired it through shooting rocks in high sec somewhere.


Alliances have their own resources, in all respects.
Trust me, Alliances do not rely on lone Hisec miners to supply their war efforts.


EVE is one big choice, you can do anything you want.... and that works both ways, if me and my friends want to gank you while you're mining.. WE WILL.

If you want to waste your time in EVE mining in Hisec,, YOU WILL.

But coming to the forum and complaining about the game working exactly how it was intended?...

People like that need to open their eyes, read about the history of the game, what actually takes place in EVE, and the future of EVE.

They will be amazed out the complexity and sheer scale of the potential the game has.
While they're on a 0.9 belt mining atseroids alone... they're not even exposed to 0.00001% of what EVE actually is... how could they possibly come to the forum and claim the game is broken when they do not even know what the game is!?


Oh and hey, as a high-sec player I don't give a flying gnats ass what the people in low-sec and null-sec do. What you do in low-sec, null-sec has zero impact on my game. How do you like them apples?

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Daimon Kaiera
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-07-09 03:00:09 UTC
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:

What you do in low-sec, null-sec has zero impact on my game.


http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxld86PPzp1qigto9.gif

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Khira Kitamatsu
#32 - 2013-07-09 03:06:09 UTC
Daimon Kaiera wrote:
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:

What you do in low-sec, null-sec has zero impact on my game.


http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxld86PPzp1qigto9.gif


Name one thing - just one thing...that effects my game. LOL!

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Elizabeth Aideron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2013-07-09 03:10:10 UTC
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:
Daimon Kaiera wrote:
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:

What you do in low-sec, null-sec has zero impact on my game.


http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxld86PPzp1qigto9.gif


Name one thing - just one thing...that effects my game. LOL!


market prices
Khira Kitamatsu
#34 - 2013-07-09 03:11:34 UTC
Elizabeth Aideron wrote:
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:
Daimon Kaiera wrote:
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:

What you do in low-sec, null-sec has zero impact on my game.


http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxld86PPzp1qigto9.gif


Name one thing - just one thing...that effects my game. LOL!


market prices


LMFO! Really...you think that null and low sec effect market prices to the point that it effects "my" game. I guess the people of low and null think they are EVE - huh. LOL!

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Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-07-09 03:17:15 UTC
If you want to know CCP's feeling on the matter:

http://i.imgur.com/YJyZGTj.jpg

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."

Daimon Kaiera
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-07-09 03:23:43 UTC
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:
Daimon Kaiera wrote:
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:

What you do in low-sec, null-sec has zero impact on my game.


http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxld86PPzp1qigto9.gif


Name one thing - just one thing...that effects my game. LOL!


The game itself. Because you don't know the difference between the verb "effect" and "affect."

.... . .-.. .--. / .. / .... .- ...- . / ..-. .- .-.. .-.. . -. / .- -. -.. / .. / -.-. .- -. -. --- - / --. . - / ..- .--. / ... - --- .--. - .... .. ... / ... .. --. -. .- - ..- .-. . / .. -.. . .- / .. ... / -. --- - / ... - --- .-.. . -. / ... - --- .--.

Khira Kitamatsu
#37 - 2013-07-09 03:25:45 UTC
Daimon Kaiera wrote:
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:
Daimon Kaiera wrote:
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:

What you do in low-sec, null-sec has zero impact on my game.


http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxld86PPzp1qigto9.gif


Name one thing - just one thing...that effects my game. LOL!


The game itself. Because you don't know the difference between the verb "effect" and "affect."


Still waiting for the one thing. I can wait. :)

Ponies!  We need more ponies!

Elizabeth Aideron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2013-07-09 03:32:19 UTC
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:
Elizabeth Aideron wrote:
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:
Daimon Kaiera wrote:
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:

What you do in low-sec, null-sec has zero impact on my game.


http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxld86PPzp1qigto9.gif


Name one thing - just one thing...that effects my game. LOL!


market prices


LMFO! Really...you think that null and low sec effect market prices to the point that it effects "my" game. I guess the people of low and null think they are EVE - huh. LOL!


well we doubled the price of tempest fleet issues and briefly spiked prices of lots of ships
Khira Kitamatsu
#39 - 2013-07-09 03:37:10 UTC
Elizabeth Aideron wrote:


well we doubled the price of tempest fleet issues and briefly spiked prices of lots of ships


Didn't "affect" me...hmmm...what might "affect" me....let me try to think of something....*thinking...thinking....thinking....*.....nope, don't recall anything anyone, any corp, or any alliance from null and low sec that had any "affect" on my game.

Ponies!  We need more ponies!

Amnesiaa Haze
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2013-07-09 03:38:57 UTC
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:
Daimon Kaiera wrote:
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:
Daimon Kaiera wrote:
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:

What you do in low-sec, null-sec has zero impact on my game.


http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxld86PPzp1qigto9.gif


Name one thing - just one thing...that effects my game. LOL!


The game itself. Because you don't know the difference between the verb "effect" and "affect."


Still waiting for the one thing. I can wait. :)

CCP have a new SRP for people who lose Jump Freighters every time goons decide to burn Jita...

So feel free to fly yours when the time comes... there's nothing like experiencing the fireworks from the top deck of a 6bil isk ship... spectacular!