EVE General Discussion

"They should change 0.5 to lowsec"

NO

This isn't strictly true, a large part of policing is focused on crime prevention. The police do not provide consequences, that is for the courts to decide.

Its far more cost efficient and better for society as a whole to prevent a crime before it has been committed than to punish the criminal after he has done his dirty deeds.

In this respect one shouldn't think of CONCORD as the police at all, because they behave nothing like the real police. CONCORD are more of a militia group.

Regardless, the OP lost a barge to gankers and is all pissy about it. Protip: Fit a tank, although this wont stop you being ganked (its entirely possible to gank a well tanked mack in 0.5 for example) It will lower the risk significantly especially if the system is full of other miners without one.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18596330

you can tank a Mackinaw, and it will still die in a fire. your best bet is going to be a procurer and tank the crap out of it. you can easily get one up over 50k EHP. Procurer/Skiff isn't anywhere near as squishy as the Mack/Ret/Hulk/Cov. So either find someplace safer to mine, or get a ship that has a real tank on it.

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You seriously used *that* killmail to say tanking won't help? Did you even look at that fit? That ship was afire long before the gankers showed.

Not so much a suicide gank as euthanasia.

Compared to this - http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17019363

that is what miners consider a 'tank'. The other Mack took 12k of damage, EHP as listed in the fitting window isn't accurate by any stretch. Actually reinforced bulkheads and a DCU2 would probably be the best tank for a mining barge. structure tank with 60% resists. The hull tanked one was burning down quite fast until we hit structure... it still died, but we had quite a few people too. The typical magic number is 7 to gank a 'tanked' Mackinaw. Hulk is 2. Retriever is 1 catalyst.

Correction:

To install rigs requires appropriate skill.

To benefit from installed rigs doesn't require any skill. You get the full bonus without any skill. However, you suffer the full amount of any drawback if you don't have the skill.

Oh my god. Please.

Look, you fly a Retriever. Retrievers are gank magnets because a) they are very un-tanky and b) unfortunately, a lot of miners who fly them seem to be like you, and by that, I mean, "free kill". May I give you a bit of advice? In future, do not mine in 0.5 systems. At all. Ever. The same rocks spawn in 0.6 systems so you have absolutely no reason to go to any 0.5 system. Leave the 0.5 systems to miners who know what they're doing.

A Retriever, regardless of how you tank it, will die in a 0.5 system if someone wants it dead. A max tank Retriever can't beat a single T2 catalyst. It can't beat 2 meta cats. Its my opinion, shared by almost no one if the systems and belts are consulted, that a Retriever has no business outside of 0.8 - 1.0 systems.

OP would like to take any ship to .5 and have it survive a gank which is just silly. Thats why systems have different security levels in hisec: to tell you what the risks and rewards are likely to be. RISKS should be capitalized, so there, I just capitalized it.

If you want to mine in a 0.5 system, use a Procurer. Fit the lows with the mining laser upgades. Fit the mids with shield extenders and invluns. Put shield extender rigs in. Make sure you turn the invuln(s) on when you undock. Mine all you like with no fear of being ganked. If you're heart is set on a Retriever and its mighty ore bay, then max yield it and hope you can make more isk between ganks to make it worth it; no amount of 'tank' will save it.

i havent been ganked all month...

confirming that .5 systems dont = 100% gank rate daily....