Player Features and Ideas Discussion

There are some issues here that clearly haven't been thought through. I mean to be honest it doesnt make sense to say CPU Management is a pre-res for Targeting (Multiple Targeting). Another issue:



As you can see, having "Mechanics" can mean armor or hull. When you think of the word mechanic, you think of metallic items on a ship that can be fixed or changed. Hull and armor fall under that. Your new proposal puts hull under an Armor category which doesnt make sense.



This change isn't really a change, its redundant. We spaceship pilots KNOW that anything fitted to our ship is a "system" it doesnt need to be re-iterated.



Not sure where to even begin here. A)CPU Management doesnt belong, it is CPU not power and thus is not an engineering skill. CPU Management would be better suited in the Electronics System category. B) It makes no sense referring Nanite control to Neurotoxin Control and leaving Nanite Interfacing and Nanite Operation by its name. If you want to change one, be consistent and change all related. So you would have Neurotoxin Interfacing and Neurotoxin Operation. Be sure to also change the name of the item that these use like Nanite Paste to Neruotoxin Paste. If you do not do these things, you only create confusion where there was clarity before. Personally Id say leave the name for all nanite skills the way they are and save yourself some work.

The Planet Management skill group needs to stay exactly where it is. It makes no sense spreading 5 skills that are only useful for PI over multiple categories not related to each other.

Spaceship Command needs to stay Spaceship Command, not Spaceship Piloting. This is an adult game, not for 6 year olds. Adults understand the concept of what commanding a spaceship means, we don't need to play it down to grammar school grammar.

I like most of the categorizing but as for the 5 major skill renaming, they should stay the same. Leave electronics where it is instead of CPU Management. By doing so, the Electronics skill can be the anchor for the Electronics category. Having Engineering remain the same is the anchor for the Engineering category. It makes zero sense to change the two at all. Let eve players read the descriptions for these skills to better understand what they are. THAT is why the descriptions are there in the first place. The names are to invite a bit of reality to it. Targeting is also fine the way it is; however, you could rename Multitasking to Multiple Targeting or even stick with Advanced Targeting. As I stated with Nanite Control, that too should stay as is.

You have never used combat boosters, dont you? :)
Nanite Control: Proficiency at reducing the severity of the side effects experienced upon injection of combat boosters.
Neurotoxin Recovery: Proficiency at biofeedback techniques intended to negate the side effects typically experienced upon injection of combat boosters. (has prereq Nanite Control)
That's why they'll change Nanite Control to Neurotoxin Control and it makes sense.

So we will pilot something else than spaceships in the future?

just like most people here, there's some changes that I like and some I don't. I don't see a reason to change names of Electronics and Engineering skills, unless you want to change names of Electronics and Egineering T3 subsystems as well (since some of them will increase CPU and powergrid, just like parent skill). However, some skill names, such as Electronic Warfare Drone Interfacing, are inaccurate and should be changed (my advice on new name is "Drone Networking").
I also welcome moving WU and AWU out of Gunnery group. Rigs and subsystems could be placed in the same group as those two (I would call it "Spaceship Upgrades"), along with some fitting-related skills such as Energy Grid Upgrades and Electronics Upgrades.

That's just my 2 cents :)

Everything sounds OK but please DO NOT RENAME SPACESHIP COMMAND to spaceship piloting for god sake

Terrible

1) The new category names are weak at best. Spaceship Piloting.... this is a poor translation and should remain Spaceship Command

2) Targeting already implies multiple targets, calling the skill Multiple Targeting is unnecessary and still has nothing to do with the ability to lock targets. If you are changing this it should be Targeting Acquisition and Advanced Target Acquisition

3) More skill groups are nice, but some of the groupings are too narrowly focused and inconsistant with many skill prerequisites

4) Skill certificates are already in place to guide players through skill advancement. If you want players to use this it should have a proper tutorial.

I think most are VERY logical

HOWEVER - WTF is the point of changing SPACESHIP COMMAND ?

Not only does it sound silly, it just isn't correct on a technical level.
Piloting and command are two different things.

I do not simply pilot the craft like some low-level officer at the CON, I command it.

+1 To almost everything
-1 to changing Spaceship Command to Pilot.
-1 Targeting (name change is also a bit non-sensical)

That is just silly and completely unravels te rest of the renaming logic

TBQFH, nobody really cares about the group names, but the skill names themselves are important to us.

Don't rename the iconic Engineering and Electronics skills. At a minimum you'll be instantly invalidating 10 years' worth of guides and reference material, much of which is in your very own wiki (or are you going to troll through every page which references 'Engineering V' in text and update it? Good luck with that...)

Furthermore, you're not being very consistent here: the 'Corporation Management', 'Drones', 'Gunnery', 'Leadership', 'Social', 'Science', 'Trade' and 'Navigation' skills are still named the same as their respective groups. So don't change Spaceship Command or Engineering (or Electronics), that's just silly renaming for silly renaming's sake.

Skills which do deserve renames because their original names are weird

• Multitasking --> "Advanced Targeting" (alternately, name the targeting skills Target Management and Adv Tgt Mgmt)


• Electronic Warfare Drone Interfacing --> "Long Range Drone Interfacing"


• Energy Grid Upgrades --> "Engineering Upgrades" (encompassing both power grid and capacitor upgrades, neither of which are energy grids)


• Shield Compensation --> "Shield Boost Economization" (or whatever: anything to differentiate it from the resistance-boosting "Kinetic/Thermic/EM/Explosive Shield Compensation" skills, which incidentally need some serious love)


• Thermic XXX --> "Thermal XXX" (please stick with thermal, the two are synonymous but thermic is antiquated)


• Frigate/Industrial/Cruiser/etc Construction : Please add an "advanced" in front of these, as they only have use for T2 production.


• Remote Sensing --> "Remote Planetary Sensing" (especially since the context of being in the Planet Management group is now being lost)


• Jury Rigging --> "Ship Rigging". While the phrase 'jury rigging' is technically the correct term for a makeshift modification, particularly in a nautical context, it is more commonly associated with corrupting a trial jury, a la Al Capone. It just smells weird, please rename. :)


• Afterburner --> "Afterburners" or "Afterburner Operation". It's just odd to name a skill in the non-plural sense.


• Hacking --> "Data Analysis" or "Encrypted Data Analysis". Basically tie this skill name to the Data Analyzer and Data Sites.


• Archaeology --> "Relic Analysis" or "Archaeological Relic Analysis". Similarly tie this skill name to the Relic Analyzer and Relic Sites.


• All T3 subsystems skills --> properly name these as "subsystem" skills, e.g. "Minmatar Propulsion Subsystems"[/i].
As they are now, they look very appealing for any pilot to train for their respective race. It is not clear by your proposed group/name combo that they are useful only for T3 ships (though the skill descriptions themselves are pretty clear).

Skill Groups

• Electronics System (sic) --> "Electronic Warfare Systems"


• Armor + Shields (combine the two) --> "Defensive Systems"

Other tidbits

• Survey III as a prerequisite for Salvaging makes even less sense than it did before.


• Energy Pulse Weapons really does not belong in the engineering group. Just stick it in Gunnery.


• Cloaking really does not belong in with the other ewar skills. Could put it in targeting or engineering groups. If you do leave it with the ewar skills, should probably move the items from the 'Electronics and Sensor Upgrades" to the "Electronic Warfare" item group as a result, which is a little weird.

Remember, don't change stuff just to change stuff, or to satisfy someone's internal OCD. The real world is messy, Eve should be too. qwerty vs dvorak. 'nuff said.

I agree with commanders above.

So this is what CCP waste time on? Renaming skills and skill sets?