Intergalactic Summit

To be fair, it's hardly the job of the soldier to stop the war. It never has been in the past and I daresay it won't be in the future. I'm not saying that I don't get to make choices and decisions, but in this case it's clearly a job for Statesmen to end the war, not the soldiers who are doing their part to fight it.

And please notice how I haven't criticised either yourself or Korsavius because you make your living outside the State, although such accusations are easy to make - all I've done is take exception to the suggestion that serving the State through the offices of the State Protectorate isn't worthwhile.

Oh do me a favour.

If you were fighting for the citizens of the state, you would have stopped at the border and dug in, ensuring that those you fight for were protected.

Instead you pressed into Federation space, lining your pockets with the blood of State and Federation citizens alike.

You want ANY kind of legitimacy to your claims, get out of Federation space, and stay out of it.
Difficult to understand?

Coming from you that's ******* hilarious. You're in no position to lecture Diana on what it means to be Caldari.

You should spend some time talking with the men and women on the frontier, Haktain-haan. I know quite a few, and I'm dead sure every last one of them would be deeply offended by your attitude.




Oh, quit yapping. It's the same level of bullshit all these liberal windbags are spouting over the IGS. We should just bend over and thank everyone nicely for giving it to us, eh?
You either do or get done, and guess what, son, we're not done yet.

Your support of this cyclic and utterly useless war is the 'bullshit' here Desiderya,
You are not in it fighting for 'the state' or it's people. You fight for yourself and your wallet.

You claim to protect the state. Stay in the state, PROTECT IT. You have no reason, other than padding your own ISK pool, to be crossing the border.

At least when Kim does it, she does so for an obvious, if misguided, reason. You are rapidly proving yourself no better than she.

Ahem.

I'd like to point out for the record that while the personal opinions of our pilots may not match the opinions of Protectorate pilots, Ishuk-Raata will continue to offer military aid to State Protectorate forces who have gone through the proper diplomatic channels. We have consistently offered this support under those terms. Let us know when and where to show up ahead of time, and we will.

Ishuk-Raata is not going to sign up under the Protectorate and capture or defend systems, not even for Black Rise. Ishukone has no investments and very little business defending the investments of others in Black Rise. We do however honor capsuleer standings, and those who have arranged our support ahead of time will receive it.

If you want our help out there, you need but to ask properly.

..they'd be offended that I value their lives and wish to see them succeed, rather than either dying or have their accomplishments crushed in a war that serves no useful political purpose?

Are you really declaring that the entire population of Black Rise are that unreasonable, or did you just fail to grasp my meaning?



Uh... what?

I'm not doing anything of the sort. I can't even see where I've said anything that might conceivably be misconstrued as attempting to justify that. the Intaki contract is lucrative for Ishukone but as far as I'm concerned that's a case of making the best of a bad situation, rather than a good reason to pursue the occupation.

Are you sure you don't have me confused with Pieter? I know he looks almost exactly like I did twenty years ago (except that I was clean-shaven at that age), but the tattoo above his eye is enough of a distinguishing feature for most folk.

War, shwar...

I just prefer not to be shot at while crossing the border to visit my homeworld...

A little too much credit, perhaps.

At any rate, to the OP; fantastic effort here. You're reeling them in.

Unless you credit yourself with perfect performance in that regard - which, respectfully, I do not - you must please acknowledge that people are dying and ventures are being lost before they return on investment. The reason these people are dying and these ventures are being lost is that there's a war on.

The reason there's a war on is... well, I can see dozens of reasons, but I don't see any GOOD reasons. We've got Home. We're not under existential threat. We've got all the resources we could possibly want in Black Rise, and Placid's been part of the gate network for long enough and is too full of people who would be violently opposed to our ownership of it to be a resource worth claiming.

I accept the reasoning that placing the Front in Placid is of strategic benefit to the State in fighting the war well. I also appreciate that the same logic applies to the Federation and Black Rise. Paradoxically the fact that we're fighting a war in each others' regions to secure them in the name of a strategic advantage in the war is what's perpetuating that war. We're fighting them because they're fighting us, and they're fighting us because we're fighting them. We're like lab rats, running to keep up with a wheel that's only spinning because we're running in it.

If the war is what's killing people and destroying resources, and there is no actual good reason for it to continue, then it is by definition a waste. We're not spending people in pursuit of the greater good here, we're just frittering them away on vanity and farce. There are more practical ways in which we could be leveraging those assets.



You yourself are doing nothing to change the situation. You are, however, doing much to perpetuate it. As I said - they are there because we are there because they are there and so on. It's a depressing causal mobius strip to which the only sane response is to view the whole thing as a tragic squandering of valuable people and materiel.

And if my observation of that fact and my unwillingness to imitate your strategy of throwing prime steak into a meat grinder in the vague hope that it'll pay off somewhere down the line are that damaging to your morale and that of your troops, then I must question how strong your morale was in the first place.

What, exactly, do you think my motive is for calling the milita war a "waste"? I'm a loyalist! I want to see the State thrive, the megas profit and our people stand tall on the interstellar stage. How exactly is it dissidence to be dismayed by the way that prosecuting this proxy bloodbath put Kaalakiota in some pretty serious financial trouble?

Step out of your ego for a second and look at this with the kind of calm detachment befitting a commander.