Wormholes

I've been following the thread pretty closely, but there's very little more to say. I think that there's some underlying issues with the dynamics of w-space, in regards to permanent residence, since, as was said about fifteen times before now, they weren't originally designed for what we're doing in them. This is one of the subjects I spoke a lot about during my CSM run, and to be honest, there's more issue with the mentality of people living in w-space, then the mechanics at this point.

You cannot force people to fight you, no matter how badly so many people wish they could. There's a vast number of people are so risk adverse, that they refuse to engage if there's even a slight chance that it might not come out in their favor, or are so very quick to scream blob. But of course, that's alright if they're on the other side of that blob and manage to get some juicy kills. Right?

I can't think of any w-space organization that isn't guilty of this.

The issue doesn't lie with w-space, it lies with the natural progression of these organizations within wormholes, and the structure, and mechanics of the game, and human nature itself. There's better security in greater numbers, and as an organization, you're less likely to lose if you've got the numerical advantage. (Barring certain rare situations.) Once you've reached a certain "critical mass", or even a certain level of recognition, it becomes far less likely that smaller groups are even going to try to engage you, because no one wants to fight a battle that they're fully aware they've got no chance of winning.

And so it's now CCP's fault that this 30 man corp won't fight your 20 man T3 fleet.

For meaningful change to happen, there would need a radical shift in the mindset of EVERYONE, and that's just not going to happen barring intervention from CCP. The people are the problem, not the game.

That's what I say about pretty much every economic system (well, not game but you get the idea)!!!!

I agree with your human nature perspective and agree 100%... but: If a game doesn't take into account human nature then is that not a problem with the game? The game is played by humans so human nature is bound to happen. Not necessarily arguing but rather pointing out something obvious which many people do not seem to see.

Aren't you contradicting yourself a bit?

You say that wormholes where not designed to support what we currently do in Wormhole space which is clearly a design failure on CCPs part if that is the case. They could have easily made wormholes less inhabitable by having less moons and no PI.

You admit that the need for some alliances to grow big, blue and batphone each other is just human nature but you think humans being humans is the problem?

In a perfect world we might all make some silent agreement to not do the stuff that creates the perceived problem but this is not a perfect word, in fact it's not even a real world. EVE is a virtual reality with rules created solely by CCP, and we simply operate within the boundary CCP have created.

If some people think that everything is fine in wormhole space, they are entitled to that opinion but if people think there is a problem, the only people that can make a change is CCP... Should this change happen? I don't know but that's what we are trying to find out in this thread.

Maybe the SMA not dropping loot was CCPS solution to growing wormhole population but by doing this, they took a pretty big conflict driver from us ("us" in general, not the alliance I'm in).

The kids grow up too fast, cute.

perhaps 1 day ill be good enough to camp the wormhole gates as well as you guys do

Seems mostly about people complaining that the high class warm holes have been ruined by large gangs.

The best way to fix a personal lack of wh pvp would be to join a corp that nobody knows and that does not post its kills. Everyone will think 'oh never heard of them and they have a lousy killboard, they are no threat'.

After half a year or so when people are becoming aware of the corp, through personal experience or because a lot of kills are still posted due to other people posting their losses, you disband and form a new corp.

The problem is, if such a corp existed, there'd be no way to find it, so you couldn't join...

True, most people will never fight if they can help it. But there are also a lot who check killboards and corp stats before engaging. I do it too

Because you are obvious bait

Time zones come into play as well. Weekends seem to lead to more PVP as the US players can play during the day when the Euros are active. The Russians seem to be very active although they are mostly PVE'ers. If you can get in quickly enough, you can at least kill a few before they POS up.

As stated before, it is easier to get PVP in C1-C3 with a HS static. Day trippers/WH divers can help add some excitement to your playing time. I don't think most of the PVP driver conversation in this thread is directed at those WH. It is C4-C6 which have less action.



**off topic**
Props to No Holds Barred for trying to fight last night. I think you were out of time zone but at least you tried something. Not much you could have done with your numbers at the time. Hopefully on the weekend we can roll through and shoot each other when numbers get a bit closer for each side!!??