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Heavy vs Sentry Drones, when to use which?
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Ristlin Wakefield
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2013-07-08 15:12:12 UTC
Chessur wrote:
I will not discuss PvE, because if you are using drones in PvE you are doing it wrong (unless you are in a carrier blitzing 5's)

As for PvP:

Using drones as a primary damage system, is really a horrible idea. Drones are slow, can be killed, and really don't have that great of tracking. The best drones to use are warrior II's because they can actually do something to light tackle, and perhaps Valk II For when you are fighting cruisers / BS out side of scram / web range. I would also like to mention that ec-300 / ec-600 are broken as hell, and if you can fit a flight of them do so.

All of the other drones I have not listed, are worthless.

However to asnwer your question effectively:

Heavy drones- will do little to no damage to a target that is not scrammed and webbed. (It better not have an AB)

Sentry: Again for PvP (outside of slowcat fleets) Sentries are horrible, and can easily be killed / or out tracked. They are very underwhelming. Especially when you consider that all of that space could be filled with EC-300/600 Warriors / Valks.


This guy is wrong about everything, lol.

Heavy/Sentries are both great and it really just comes down to how you plan to fight your opponent.

I have a lover, her name is EVE. I see her every night and all she asks in return is that I have a pilot's license.
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#22 - 2013-07-08 15:36:07 UTC
Ristlin Wakefield wrote:
Chessur wrote:
I will not discuss PvE, because if you are using drones in PvE you are doing it wrong (unless you are in a carrier blitzing 5's)

As for PvP:

Using drones as a primary damage system, is really a horrible idea. Drones are slow, can be killed, and really don't have that great of tracking. The best drones to use are warrior II's because they can actually do something to light tackle, and perhaps Valk II For when you are fighting cruisers / BS out side of scram / web range. I would also like to mention that ec-300 / ec-600 are broken as hell, and if you can fit a flight of them do so.

All of the other drones I have not listed, are worthless.

However to asnwer your question effectively:

Heavy drones- will do little to no damage to a target that is not scrammed and webbed. (It better not have an AB)

Sentry: Again for PvP (outside of slowcat fleets) Sentries are horrible, and can easily be killed / or out tracked. They are very underwhelming. Especially when you consider that all of that space could be filled with EC-300/600 Warriors / Valks.


This guy is wrong about everything, lol.

Heavy/Sentries are both great and it really just comes down to how you plan to fight your opponent.


No im really not wrong about what I said. I have a lot more PvP experience than you. So really, I do know what I am talking about. Heavy / Sentries are useless in solo / small gang PvP. They are useless because they are either slow / immobile and have horrible tracking / can be destroyed.
Kalihira
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#23 - 2013-07-08 16:23:54 UTC
Chessur wrote:
I will not discuss PvE, because if you are using drones in PvE you are doing it wrong (unless you are in a carrier blitzing 5's)

As for PvP:

Using drones as a primary damage system, is really a horrible idea. Drones are slow, can be killed, and really don't have that great of tracking. The best drones to use are warrior II's because they can actually do something to light tackle, and perhaps Valk II For when you are fighting cruisers / BS out side of scram / web range. I would also like to mention that ec-300 / ec-600 are broken as hell, and if you can fit a flight of them do so.

All of the other drones I have not listed, are worthless.

However to asnwer your question effectively:

Heavy drones- will do little to no damage to a target that is not scrammed and webbed. (It better not have an AB)

Sentry: Again for PvP (outside of slowcat fleets) Sentries are horrible, and can easily be killed / or out tracked. They are very underwhelming. Especially when you consider that all of that space could be filled with EC-300/600 Warriors / Valks.



dont listen to this guy, he doesnt know what hes talking about
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#24 - 2013-07-08 16:42:14 UTC
Chessur wrote:

No im really not wrong about what I said. I have a lot more PvP experience than you. So really, I do know what I am talking about. Heavy / Sentries are useless in solo / small gang PvP. They are useless because they are either slow / immobile and have horrible tracking / can be destroyed.


Yeah, unfortunately you are quite wrong.

Ogre II tracking: 0.36 (all V's, no ship bonuses, no Omnis)
Garde II tracking on new Domi: 0.0675 (all Vs, 1xOmni) with 56.25km optimal

Feel free to compare those numbers to any large turrets.

Yes, heavies are slow, which is quite irrelevant as they are meant to be used at brawling range against scrammed and webbed targets. Yes, sentries are immobile, which is a feature you can use to your advantage.

Yes, they can be destroyed, unfortunately they have tons of EHP and there's always more of them. And you waste your damage on drones, while the drone boat hammers you.

They are both far from useless in solo/small gang pvp.

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Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#25 - 2013-07-08 16:43:21 UTC
Roime wrote:
Chessur wrote:

No im really not wrong about what I said. I have a lot more PvP experience than you. So really, I do know what I am talking about. Heavy / Sentries are useless in solo / small gang PvP. They are useless because they are either slow / immobile and have horrible tracking / can be destroyed.


Yeah, unfortunately you are quite wrong.

Ogre II tracking: 0.36 (all V's, no ship bonuses, no Omnis)
Garde II tracking on new Domi: 0.0675 (all Vs, 1xOmni) with 56.25km optimal

Feel free to compare those numbers to any large turrets.

Yes, heavies are slow, which is quite irrelevant as they are meant to be used at brawling range against scrammed and webbed targets. Yes, sentries are immobile, which is a feature you can use to your advantage.

Yes, they can be destroyed, unfortunately they have tons of EHP and there's always more of them. And you waste your damage on drones, while the drone boat hammers you.

They are both far from useless in solo/small gang pvp.



You bring your drone boat, and i will use my ScYFI- should we do battle? Give me a time and place.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#26 - 2013-07-08 20:43:56 UTC
I live in Soli, feel free to drop by whenever you feel like it.



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Mr Morita
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#27 - 2013-07-09 17:01:21 UTC
Ristlin Wakefield wrote:
Chessur wrote:
I will not discuss PvE, because if you are using drones in PvE you are doing it wrong (unless you are in a carrier blitzing 5's)

As for PvP:

Using drones as a primary damage system, is really a horrible idea. Drones are slow, can be killed, and really don't have that great of tracking. The best drones to use are warrior II's because they can actually do something to light tackle, and perhaps Valk II For when you are fighting cruisers / BS out side of scram / web range. I would also like to mention that ec-300 / ec-600 are broken as hell, and if you can fit a flight of them do so.

All of the other drones I have not listed, are worthless.

However to asnwer your question effectively:

Heavy drones- will do little to no damage to a target that is not scrammed and webbed. (It better not have an AB)

Sentry: Again for PvP (outside of slowcat fleets) Sentries are horrible, and can easily be killed / or out tracked. They are very underwhelming. Especially when you consider that all of that space could be filled with EC-300/600 Warriors / Valks.


This guy is wrong about everything, lol.

Heavy/Sentries are both great and it really just comes down to how you plan to fight your opponent.


Drones are good depending on how you use them. The thing with drones is that with heavy drones, you basically have to wait until the drones get on target to apply damage (they're slow). The drawback with sentries is that they are stationary, which means if you're in a rolling fight you'll probably have to abandon them. Drones are good as a complementary damage system, but I think they fall short as a primary damage system as you're going to either comprimise your mobility or you're going to comprimise your time to kill targets, and time in PVP is everything.
warzonetemp
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-07-10 01:32:33 UTC
Sentry Drones are decent for POS sieges, if you wanted to bring your ishtar to a fight and don't want to waste ammo unless you see an actual moving target :P
Tesoni Daven
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#29 - 2013-07-10 03:05:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Tesoni Daven
Heavy drones are kind of ****, due too them being very very slow. But even they have niche uses.

Sentries are just kind of amazing. Domis are perfectly viable mission boats for newer players. Ishtars are excellent for plexing and such. Structure bashes as someone else mentioned.

And then of course carriers absolutely shine with sentries.

And plently of other BSs work very well with sentries as long as they are in situations where they don't need to move much. I like to use T2 sentries on my Panther, just cause of the massive DPS boost.

EDIT: And if you use T1 sentries, you can just drop them and LEAVE them, and not realy ******* care.
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