EVE General Discussion

I've been considering coming back after a three year break, and it's not looking promising.

A lot has changed since I left, and I'm very disappointed in what I'm seeing.

I understand that many of these changes have been necessary, but damn. I came in to find that the 'balance pass' on the exhumers left my mining flagship neutered. It's still the most expensive mining ship you can buy, which I expected, quite frankly. It takes a lot of resources to build it. But to find that both of the other exhumers can mine on par with it, have larger ore holds, better hitpoints, fly faster, and are considerably cheaper to outfit seems that someone had a hate-on for the Hulk. I hope that the same thing hasn't happened to the rest of my miniature fleet.

I figured that I'd do some digging and figure out if it's still worth operating or if I should fly something smaller, so I hopped into the forums and fired up the Search feature. What I found was less than inspiring:

"Info
An error occurred while searching."

Time after time after time, over multiple browsers and two computers. Hats off, CCP. Well played

So I fell back on Plan B - check the Evelopedia. You guys were launching this portal as I was leaving three years ago, so it should have some decent information, right?

Wrong.

I Nav to Evelopedia -> Ships -> Mining Barges -> Exhumers and find:

"ORE exhumer designs.

There is currently no text in this page. You can search for this page title in other pages, or search the related logs. "

Really? Three years and not even the generic text from the ship descriptions? Not even individual entries for the ships? No link to the appropriate Dev Blog(s) relating to the balance passes? WTF have you been doing?

And that was after fighting your API key generator for twenty minutes trying to gen a key for an ALT I wanted to load into EveMon. It turns out that the generator gives generic

"Something Went Wrong (TM)"

errors when what it should really say is:

"Your Avatar is out of date and has been retired. You need to log into Eve Online and create a new avatar before you can generate an API key."

because the errors the site gives makes it look like the web page is choking on a database call, which gives the impression of poor data layer coding when that clearly isn't the case.


Sooo, rather than spend my five free days mining, ratting, and making shiploads of ISK, I'm going to have to spend them revisiting all my skills, ships, and fittings to be sure that my once-elite ships can even tank rats in .5 sec space.

On a more positive note, I like the account sub specials you're offering, but I figured that after this many years knowing that you have many players with multiple accounts that you'd come up with some multiple-account special that lets players re-sub multiple accounts at a discount. No joy there either.

I always though that the Buddy Program should have had a 'Wingman Program' counterpart for reactivating pre-existing alt accounts. After all, the lesson that 'it's cheaper to keep existing customers than to entice new ones' is part of every marketing class offered anywhere. Hell, it's a maxim in it own right.

Anyway, I'm going to go find the 'usual' list of third-party apps and see WTF I need to re-do to get back out in the cold, hard vacuum.

-igor

The problem is the fact you were trying to mine and the EVE gods punished you for such insolence.

No offense, but that is quite the Wall-Of-UselessAndNotEvenFunnyTears.

Seriously, you came on here to tell us that we didnt make life easy for you and we're.. Bad because of that?
"What have you people been doing?" Well we've been playing the game, and havent been typing down useless info about mining ships cause, really, who searches for that stuff anyway? And the Hulk is fine, guess what, its meant to be used in mining fleets, deal with it.

You should hit that edit button and add "TLDR: Im mad cause bad" at the bottom of your post, that way people wont have to read it and they can skip the entire thing entirely.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Main_Page
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Item_Database:Ships
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Item_Database:Ships:Mining_Barges
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Item_Database:Ships:Mining_Barges:Exhumers
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Item_Database:Ships:Mining_Barges:Exhumers:ORE
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Hulk

I don't see the problem here.

No idea about the search thing, I just used it recently to fine effect.

Give me a ballpark month and year you left and I'll try to give you a list of somethings worth looking into from the last 3 years :D

The funny part is that it's more accurate to say that he's mad because they didn't change the Hulk. It's still the best mining ship of the bunch as far as yield goes. He's just mad that other ships that would have been stupid to try before now have a reason to exist…

You guys will complain about anything, it's hilarious.

The wiki is out of date, I quit!
Exploration is accessible to new players, greatly boosting player retention, I quit!
Ships are balanced, I quit!
They updated the API key system, I quit!!!

now _THAT_ was a broadside shot i should have expected! ROFL

HULK SMASH

We do not care.

Strange. That's not what I'm seeing. I'll dig deeper.

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k209/slateslavens/noExhumers_zps2fafce40.jpg