Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Also my idea is to add a 20km 30% strength web.

Now kiting ships can be slowly reeled in by some brawlers. However those brawlers than fit these webs will have a competitive disadvantage over close range brawlers that carry 60% webs, since you would need two of these long webs to properly catch a fast ship or give up your scram for a long point, also they use more CPU/Cap.

So now even a oversized ab ship will stay in a semi competitive speed with brawler mwd ships for longer, meaning your tengu can't outrun an entire gang. Also they won't be the ultimate brick wall for people trying to burn back to gate like boosting normal webs.

Longer ranges on webs is bad, since they are far more useful to kitting setups than to close range setups and it gives lokis/rapiers/bahls even more web range. While it might look useful at first, you will end up with a web that is rather useless at point blank(because it is halve as good as the 60% web, that is also useless at sub 5km) while kitting setups can use the mods to easily hold you at range and point blank performance of the mod is no issue for them at all.

As for ultimate brick wall, I think you underestimate mass and interia stats. Ships don't instantly stop with heavy webing, it is the mwd off button that stops them in the tracks. Even with 90% webs nano BS simply slipped out of your webs(the same way like 100mn AB fittings do today) and a nano HAC didn't stop if you hit him with a web, it still moved 500-800m/s in the worst case(after changing directions, and it ended like 50km off if he slipped away) under 90% webs and it was quite a challenge to keep it in web range in something clumsy as a BS. I am all for removing the mwd off button, because it is a terrible binary thing and vastly reduces the effect of piloting skills at point blank.

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0809/Thorax_vs_Stabber.wmv

Does this look like static pvp to you(the guy I shoot down is the leader of wrong alliance and did 4 or 5 place in multiple ATs)?

What is your problem?

There really isn't a way for a brawling ship to catch a kiting vessel if it is already out of scram range.
As long as the pilot isn't a ****.

Yeah i do have to agree with this a bit, it think the main point is that a single web isnt very effective unless its on a pirate bonused web strength ship. Though just for fun, did you know that ONE 90% web is stronger in effect than 4 normal 60% and that INFINITE normal webs on a target is 4 times weaker in effect than two 90% webs.

A point gets a point on the targted a scram 2 points and mwd cut out - these work great
Tracking disrupters and other EW tend to cripple a target ship and are far more effective as they should be on non bonuses ships.

The issue is that the only ships that benefit from current 60% webs are ships that kite at close ranges and that can hit at ~9km well, like auto ships, drone ship and lasers (heck even rails in some setups!)

This is only a discussion im not demanding any web nerf or buff just yet :)

Just to take things a slightly different direction, ever tried webbing at NPC at speed? its quite amusing how little effect it has on the determined, infi-mass rat :P

As the second most important tool for getting a ship kill in most combat isnt it time webbing wasnt so basic, cut and dry?

Perhaps time to split webs up a bit, perhaps have 70% 8km webs and 40-50% webs at 15km?

What? Seriously wtf? I'm guessing you don't witness a lot of dread blapping......

Webs are pretty much the most powerful midslot mod you can have O.o

If anything web stacking should be increased and 90% webs should be nerfed..

no you're wrong.

web and scram on a ship without an ab is more effective than before the web nerf web on a ship with an ab is only slightly less effective than pre-nerf see dev blog about it for all the stats. If you unnerf webs then you can't have scrams shutting off mwd's

Have you ever considered that the devs might have been plain wrong on that, similar as most of the player base? It should have ringed multiple alarm bells if the guys that did complain about the "better close range mechanics" where actually the only guys that did all her pvp at this range(yes the people that utilized super heavy gank setups at point blank, during a age where everybody flown nano). Just search for the thread where CCP Zulu proposed a medium blaster fitted hype to counter tracking issues, and no he was not trolling, but simply not a ideal person for that job, that unfortunately was in charge of rebalancing eve at this time. The reason for this is signature bloom and tracking mechanics, what allowed both high dps and fairly mobile point blank pvp. Actually removing the mwd off button is something I looking forward to see since years, for the sole purpose to bring skilled close range pvp back.

Why do you think that two module activations should be able to completely and totally negate speed as a defense? I would argue that webs are still more powerful than they should be; in engagements beyond a couple people, the primary target's movement is almost completely irrelevant if things are going on within web range.

What if some webs had there strength boosted and slowed down both the webber and webee?

80% speed reduction to the target and 60% speed reduction to the user? Now if your a slower ship you can stop a fast ship but at the cost of your own speed.
In a gang your rapier would be able to shut down any 100mn tengu or cynabal but would loose speed, making it an easier target to pop, but in a 1v1 both sides are now equalized somewhat.

Your falcon analogy isn't apt because jamming themselves means they can't jam. Your idea also means that the only real counter to falcons is more jams, but that leaves jamming in the exact same place it is now because jamming the other guys falcon first is still the best way to win an ECM war, however now there is 0% chance of the guy who didn't click the button first of ever getting the edge back.

If having a web makes you weaker to webs that makes no sense.
A kiting ship now webbing you in your web range means he is STILL going faster than you and is about to escape. Unless he is going only 50m/s faster than you he is still going to get away. That also leaves the 90% webs as being completely OP and a death sentence for any ship that falls into web range without a web fitted. Also how does being weaker to webs affect 100km rapiers unless you have 100km rapiers to!