Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No to scanning down cloaks for all the reasons posted in all the other "nerf cloaks because I'm afwaid" threads.

Edit - That said, turning on and off warp core could be interesting but only if it isn't able to be combined with being cloaked.

Just to go into a little detail on the thought behind this:

AFK cloaking is bad gameplay. It should never be a viable tactic to turn on your cloak, then walk away for hours at a time.

The reasons it's a viable tactic are:

1: Cynos. Sure, there's one person in system. But that person can /rapidly/ become an entire fleet.
2: No status change whether they're there or not.

That second one is the core of it.

You have nothing to fear from someone who isn't there. But you have no way of knowing, at any point in time, if they are there or not. They could be AFK for 8 hours. They could come back 30 minutes and hot drop you.

You can't bait someone who's not there. But did they not take the bait because they weren't there, or because they got back /just/ after you finished?






Really? I must have missed that one. Of course, Lore can be updated. Someone makes a breakthrough for safe shut downs.Or damping. It's far from an insurmountable issue.





I had been thinking it could be combined, so it'd still be possible to set up an ambush. Get to an anomaly, stay cloaked, shut down your core. You can't be found unless you're really unlucky. People turn up, people get hotdropped

Why? Whilst I don't do this myself I can see reasons why it is a perfectly valid tactic.


You might have something to fear from cloaked ships that might or might not be afk. I don't. I assume they're not afk and get on about my business.

You see, it's all in your head. You don't know whether they're active or not and that eats you up. Just assume they are and you'll be fine. Why nerf something that doesn't need nerfing? Why come up with a *solution* in the game for a *problem* which is entirely in your head? Wouldn't it be better to come up with a solution to the real problem, the problem of your fear, than to change the game? Just stop being afraid. Stop thinking that they might not be there and assume they are.

I'm really sorry to say this but why do you need CCP to do something about your inability to think around a problem? We all manage it fine. When you say you can't bait them, I do. I just bait them whilst simultaneously doing other things with my corp mates and that is where the problem lies. All the people I see complaining about afk cloakies appear incapable of playing the game in any other way than solo. If you play with other people you can always deal with cloaky campers. If they're afk you do what you were doing anyway. If they're not they might try to attack you and you attack them right back. You win some you lose some but if you get out of the mentality that you can only do anything when there is no one else in system you might actually get somewhere in the game.

Don't fly expensive ships. Fly as a group. Fit pvp modules. Do your ratting or your mining as you would normally do and as a group you can deal with things. If you fly inexpensive ships it's not that much of a pain if you get hotdropped by more than you can cope with.

You're not the only person to get camped by cloakies. Lots of people deal with it perfectly fine. Learn to yourself and you'll have a lot more fun. You might even have more self respect if you can lose the fear, too.


So let me get this straight, you want to nerf cloaks so they can't *make* you afraid because you don't know whether they're there or not but you also want to make it so they can remove themselves from local at a location so you think they're not there, wait for an unsuspecting person and then light a cyno under their butt?

Is this a "stealth buff cov ops cloaky ambushes" thread? Or is it a "remove afk cloaking because I'm afraid" thread? Both? I'm confused!

will shutting down your warp core prevent people from using corp/ship hangars? just curious

The only thing I think should be done to cloaking is that cloak modules should use cap. It should also be something that all covert ops cloak capable ships can keep cap stable at 85%+.

Now the only reason I would do that is because it adds a little bit of a drawback to when you use a cloak. Why? For the fun of it.

When someone can come up with a "solution" that doesn't break living in a wormhole, perhaps they can be taken more seriously. Or people can just get over the fact that there are sometimes other people in a zone with them. As has been said repeatedly, if there is one person in the zone keeping you from doing what you want to do, then bring friends. If they bring friends, you know they're not afk.

Using Local as intel is bad gameplay. It should never be a viable tactic to immediately see a hostile enter system and dock-up/log-off for hours at a time until he/she leaves.


See what I did there?


A cyno jammer denies the anyone the ability to use a regular cyno. Covert cynos can only be fitted to ships that...

- have no tank and can die to a single volley from a Thrasher. See: Stealth Bomber.
- have a decloaking penalty that prevents them from locking on to anything for 5 to 7 seconds (7 to 10 seconds if you include lock time). See: covert-fit Tech 3s, Force Recon ships.
- move slow under cloak (i.e. they won't be able to keep you with a kiting-sniper PvE setup).
- can be jammed by a Griffin/Kitsune/Blackbird.


Because everyone hides indefinitely as soon as the status of Local changes from "all friendly" to "one hostile."


Oh boo-hoo. High-sec miners deal with this kind of threat every day. They are called suicide gankers and you never know when one will drop in.

Instead of whining that there is a possible threat that you can't proactively get rid of, try to doing what high-sec miners do... make themselves unattractive targets!!

Mine in Procurers. Run complexes/anomalies/belts in cheaper, more PvP-centric ships. Team up with people. Basically live as if the enemy is always one system over. You ARE in null-sec after all.

Yes, yes... you ISK/hr goes down a bit... boo hoo. That's the price you pay for safety (the same price that everyone else does).
What makes YOU so special that you shouldn't have to do this?

No

It's amazing to me how many nullbears wish eve was single-player instead of a sandbox.