Science & Industry

Someone on the other side of the WH could activate your static for you...

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WH Mining - (Assuming you're living in the WH)

Step 1) Find Holes
Step 2) Bubble Holes
Step 3) Place non-mining cloaked alt's eyes on Holes.
Step 4) Mine
Step 5) Profit?

What if someone is living on the other side allready ?

This doesn't stop someone hanging around in your system which made it in, and probes it out. Not to mention the static WH's between WH systems... It's by far safer to probe everything out, and bubble them with eyes on them, than assuming no one will activate it, either someone traveling from another WH, or someone that just happen to login in your system, and probe it out.

Assuming your static never been triggered is a dangerous assumption.

Effort

OK, so the new system has been in place for awhile.

1) Has anyone who use to mine in W or Null stopped doing so? Have you continued to do so?

2) Has anyone started mining in W or Null since the expansion?

That is, are miners actually adapting, or they just going off and doing other things?

The entire point of this change to EvE is to destroy highsec profits from industry, return more money and power into the hands of the power 5 cartels, and ultimately eliminate those with multibox systems or force them to pay.

Enough said, if you can't fix any of that, the problem has already been securely implemented. I'm just watching the fallout and inedvitable change that will follow, when all of this really starts crippling EvE.

Whoever they let in the CSM this year, is doing a good job at using their influence to ruin EvE for as many as possible. They will succeed and when they do, it will be too late to undo the damage they have done.

Good Job.

Mining in secured sov space has not really changed, some new renters may have started mining there. But mining in actual dangerous space, such as unsecured sov, NPC null, low sec, a to an extent W-space was so dangerous before this change that almost nobody did it. I can not speak for every freelance miner, but I for one have stopped mining. The risk is just to high.

For all the ignorant idiots out there that just do not get it I will try to explain it again. This is not about making mining safe, it is about mitigating the risks involved. There is very little risk to miners in secured sov, any potential attackers have to travel several jumps thru your territory, past defenders to get you, from a risk perspective this is safer than many high sec systems. safety is relative.

Even in secured sov space the actual miners are constantly complaining about cloaky campers, but fail to see the connection here. Many of these null bears dock up if there is a neu in system. And they say I am complaining about risk? Before odyssey a cloaky camper had to have a probe launcher to track you down. D-scan protected you, but you go hide anyway. I actually did mine, even when there were nuets in the system. I could be done, it was high risk, but in grav sites it could be done. This was what I did. The risk was so high almost nobody would do it, but I did. So do not talk to me about adapting to risk. What I did was one of the highest risk activities in the game. Now the risk has been increased to the point where it is no longer possible to do it. Why even have ore belts in low or NPC space if the game mechanics prevent players from being able to mine them?

The issue here is not about my personal game play being ruined. It is about a type of game play, freelance mining, that has been nerfed into non existence. We are talking about game content that was so risk adverse that almost nobody would even bother with it. And CCP decided that making this content even more difficult was a good idea? The changes to mining should have been to encourage more players into this almost dead profession, not kill it off completely.

What we are now left with is total reliance on the big sov alliances to supply all the high end minerals in game. freelance mining only made up about 5% of the supply before. wormhole mining also contributed and in significant amount. So no big loss right? So what if the big sov alliances have gone from supplying 95% of the high end minerals to supplying 99% of them. in the big picture it makes very little difference. This change really did not benefit the game in any way. The only ones really hurt by this change are the freelance miners like myself, but since we are less than 5% of the mining community we do not matter. However if removing this content for such a small group of players does not benefit any other part of the game why remove it? I could not care less about the miners deep inside secured sov space, if they like this change so much, fine, leave the hidden belts spawned by sov upgrades as anomalies. But give us back the random spawned grav sites that have to be scanned down. There is no benefit to removing this content, no matter how you look at it changing them to anomalies is the same as removing them from the game. We no longer have mining sites that require probes to scan down. Despite what has been added, there is no reason to remove content that was not broken.

I could go on about how the loss of my game play has discouraged me from continuing to play EVE, but I am not arrogant enough to believe CCP cares about my 4 subscriptions. I love EVE, it is the greatest MMO I have ever played. But if I have no desire to log in other than to up date my training que than why am I paying for it. I am not just a carebear miner, I love PVP, but with 2 small children a often have to go AFK without notice when one starts crying, or gets into something. that does not mix well with PVP, so I am left with industry, which I do enjoy. I am working on adapting, but it is not looking for new ways to mine, I am done with freelance mining with the nerfs it has received.

MMO's are social games, not meant to be played solo. I am not a solo player, but I will not be forced to join a massive coalition just to continue playing the content I enjoy. Most null sec alliances do not accept non PVP industrialists. As I said my situation does no work well for PVP, So were do I go? Not back to high sec, I don't enjoy high sec game play. Being a null sec industrialist, or nullbear if you will, should not force me to join a large alliance, I prefer playing in smaller groups, with tighter friendships. Why does CCP insist on pushing game content that supports the massive coalitions they blame for so much of the imbalance? Why not develop content that gives players options, rather than push everyone toward the same style of game play. Being a part of a massive coalition is a great experience, but it should not be the only option.

Sure it's a dangerous assumption, but you can take 5-10min and collapse it yourself then you know it hasn't been triggered.

Even if someone is lurking inside, they'd have to pop probes and scan down the new static.

Bottom line is nothing is going to protect you from someone already inside the WH. Anyone actually camping inside your WH is likely to be in something that can kill you anyhow (cloaky T3 or stealth bomber).

But collapsing all active connections before starting at least offers protection from external invaders.

You said it yourselves in your massive walls of text: This affects such a small number of players. For us null-sec people, it's a bonus.

I think this is a step towards CCP removing static belts entirely, which I've thought they should do for years. There's no need when all content like this can be generated dynamically. If you're going to generate all content dynamically, it needs to be accessible to everyone, even noobs.

So, this ^ is what it's about I'm sure. Don't be selfish. Adapt your game-play.

A cat shat in his sandbox.

I am far from understanding half, but am wondering after having read the thread: What was the reason for this change?

I mean changes do have reasons usually. What was the reason for this?

Yeah, I've read about what he should do: adapt etc.

Still wondering what the reason for the change is. To me it seems a pity to render this playstyle moot as it seems to be rather sophisticated.