EVE General Discussion

This entire discussion adds no value to anything, so that's par for the course. You must be incredibly new here, since this topic has come up at least once per month since I have been playing, with exactly the same discussion and results.

FFS, the entire process of the margin trading scam and how to avoid it is detailed on the Evelopedia of all ******, outdated things.

You keep using this word.

Contracts and buy/sell orders are two completely different mechanics in EVE.

A contract is a direct agreement between players, and allows for a whole host of scamming, almost all of which is totally and completely legal in game.

Buy and sell orders are market mechanics, neither of which is an explicit direct agreement between any two players. It allows for almost no direct scamming at all.

In either case, each type of available scam relies not upon breaking any rules or bending any mechanics, but upon players being naive, stupid, greedy, or unable/unwilling to read and research what it is they are buying.

What you people want is for EVE to save people from themselves. It's not that kind of game. It provides all the warnings you need, but it's not going to stop you clicking the button.

It is. Take out insurance, and all these warning boxes, and you'll have a point. Otherwise, it's built into this game all about ganking and "toughness".

If it's already there, might as well use it.

One could argue that orders on the market are outstanding contracts with the broker. But that still does not mean we have to follow real life rules with them so meh.

Not everyone agrees with you.

Not knowing may not be an exploit but using the mechanic on purpose should be. This should be simple enough to prove. If the person places the buy order and then cleans out the wallet (easily seen by ccp) then I would have to say this act in itself is an admission of knowing.

It's quite accurate to refer to this situation as a default. That the process of a default is not fully implemented by Eve does not negate that categorization.



False. You can't have it both ways. Also, consider we're talking about margin trade scams where the minimum buy amount is often equal to the total quantity on the buy order.

The seller absolutely does not receive the escrow amount since the game will cancel out the order prematurely due to the buyer not having sufficient ISK for the full trade.

As the seller I expect to receive the entire amount in escrow (e.g. if they are selling something at $2M that normally costs $1M and have 50% in escrow on a buy order for 1000 units where they can only pay for 500 based on the current escrow, the seller exchanges 500 units at the $2M unit cost for the full amount in escrow).

If I as the seller have 1000 units and meet the requirements for the order, I should walk away with $1B and still have 500 units left over.



You're troll has no power here.

Citation needed.

And that doesn't change that not everyone agrees with you.

Why would you receive anything? Under the indicated conditions, the buy order failed and no transaction took place; you still have your product. If you cannot then sell it for a profit elsewhere, the problem lies with you for having made a bad purchase.

No, it really shouldn't. Exploits deal with bugs in the game and unintended effects. People not knowing the mechanics and making mistakes because of it does not qualify as either of those.

No, but it highlights the part of the suggested definition that is irrelevant for the context.

…you mean aside from sharing none of its characteristics. So it seems rather odd to categorize it as a default when all requirements have been fulfilled.

What two ways, and what's false about it?
The seller receives any amount of money in escrow until those funds have been depleted. As the seller, you receive the full amount in escrow if your sale amounts to that much. What's confusing you is that you're not fully familiar with the mechanics of how margin trading works in EVE: it lowers the amount of money you need to put into escrow in order to set up a buy order. The money in escrow is still being paid out, in full, to anyone who fulfils the requirements for the order as long as there is enough ISK to complete the transaction.

…which is exactly what happens. At least unless someone else has a cheaper order on the market, in which case they get the money, or unless there is too little cash in escrow to complete the transaction.

Pointing out that someone is wrong is not trolling. The simple fact of the matter is that you're wrong: what you're asking for is already in the game.