Wormholes

I've had this discussion a few times with various people. Invariably it always comes down to the majority of people agreeing that the Moros is by far the best, with the Rev and the Nag being fairly evenly tied for a distant second place, and the Phoenix was put down before the race started. To me, this sounded a lot like group-think. I wondered how long it had been since anyone had bothered trying to check? Do we all sing along to the 'Moros is superior' song because no one has bothered lately? Anyhow, I decided to check for myself, made a tonne of fits in EFT, ran the setups that I would use (c5 WR, perfect boosts, armour config) and discovered... well not much.

All fits were assumed to have the following:

1. Max skilled, mind-linked Legion booster with all Armor links, web range link and sig radius link
2. C5 Wolf-Rayet effect
3. All Vs
4. Low-grade slaves (they'll die eventually)
5. 5% implants for the following: Energy Systems Operation EO-605, Energy Management EM-805, Gunnery RF-905, Hull Upgrades HG-1005. Slot 7 is TA-705 (Falloff) for the Nag, and MR-705 (Tracking) for the Moros and Revelation.
6. Refits available for max cap and extra tank (both armour and hull).
7. Drugs not used because I'm lazy.
8. Fits will be optimised for damage at 35kms, because :sleepers:

Fits used will be listed in post 2. Suggestions welcome.

So, at the end of the day, what do we get for our shiny mods? Well, here we go.

Revelation (Gank Fit):
10626 DPS at 38+15kms w/ Blood Gamma XL
Tracking: 0.01153
6m29s of cap with repper running, stable at 71% without the repper.

Moros (Gank Fit):
10626 DPS at 33+41kms w/ Guristas Lead Charge XL
Tracking: 0.01275
6m35s of cap with repper running, stable at 80% without the repper.

Naglfar (Gank Fit):
13132 DPS at 23+71kms w/ Arch Angel Phased Plasma XL (at 35kms, this works out to be about 12,100 DPS, approximating based on CCPs falloff/tracking graph)
Tracking: 0.01154
6m55s of cap with repper running, stable at 98% without the repper.

Revelation (Tank fit):
3,658,466 eHP, 13,481 rep/sec (7m10s cap)

Moros (Tank fit):
3,236,213 eHP, 11,993 rep/sec (7m6s cap)

Naglfar (Tank fit):
2,962,012 eHP, 12,201 rep/sec (7m54s cap)

The Naglfar does have the weaker cap, but by swapping in cap mods, all the dreads can be made cap stable under even 3 waves of Sleepless Guardian's neuting. They wont tank the best and their damage is cut by more than half, but they should easily be able to coast out of siege to receive reps, or wait until the Sleepers pick a new target. The Revelation has the better tank by a large margin, both in terms of buffer as well as reps. The Naglfar has the higher paper damage, even after accounting for falloff reduction, and the Moros has the better tracking.

So at the end of the day, all three of the gun dreads can run sites in an armour configuration quite nicely. If you were wanting to optimise to the absolute bleeding edge, I'd say make your first dread a Revelation because its going to cop a hammering and then any others after that should be Naglf'ra (or is it Naglfarses precious?) or Moros, but honestly you could use any combination and you'd be just fine.

Has anyone else done this recently? Any comments on the fits? Am I just completely wrong? Will I be forever shunned for maligning the great and powerful Moros?

We did some testing with nags and moros. What we found was simple. The nag, if it is armor and has 4 tracking comps, has better tracking than the moros, locks targets much faster, but does considerably less damage. Its a tradeoff. Nag will run you around 9k dps with the moros running you 12k dps.

Its all about even for home sites really.

I went with as close to 35km optimal as I could. If you know of a way to make sleepers orbit at 23kms, let me know and we can use antimatter. You'll note I also used Gamma and not multifrequency on the revelation. I figured the falloff on the Nag was high enough that it was worth using the close range ammo.

*vomit*

your fits are bad
your numbers are wrong
your conclusion is incorrect.

moros is by far the best dread for escalations.
it isnt even a debate, move on.

PS: whatever drunk mathematician told you a moros does 10.6k dps and that using lead ammo was a solid plan deserves a trolling award. seriously funny sh*t right there.

Care to suggest changes?



And you call my fits bad? I really hope this was a troll in your thread about running sites, because... well I'll put the numbers at the end.


Unfortunately not :(

Aaaand I'm done crunching numbers. I even ran them 3 times to check. Moros with Antimatter beats everything by a large margin. Well ****.

Assuming 3 webs and 2 paints on a sleepless guardian at 35kms, we get the following average values for actual DPS (all numbers use faction ammo).

Moros w/ Antimatter: 13,186
Moros w/ Thorium: 11,184
Moros w/ Lead: 10,069

Revelation w/ Multifrequency: 9,838
Revelation w/ Gamma: 9,667
Revelation w/ Xray: 8,788

Naglfar w/ Phased Plasma: 11,883

Moros w/ T1 Uranium: 7,423 DPS at 35km

You realise that there were Dread changes recently right?

Also, since my fits were horrible, care to suggest any changes?

We tried. Moros is still king, Revelation works if you don't have a Moros.

In the lows you'll want 2 tracking enhancers, 1 armor rep and 1 damage control. Fill the rest with damage mods (magnetic field stabalizers / heat sinks)
In the mids 2 sensor boosters, 2 tracking computers, have the moros fit a caprecharger on the remaining slot.

Now, when a dread gets shot by the sleepers you refit lows for hardners (or cap if you're running out). You are in refit range of your carrier right?

Shield nag works fine in a c5 wr, not even links needed. Also I wouldnt use faction ammo for anything but the rev, sleepers die fast enough anyway

the plural of Naglfar is Naglför