Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Still a poor idea. And will continue to be so.

For an entire host of reasons that have been pointed out and argued ad nauseum.

You are unwilling or unable to develop your idea further. You are unwilling or unable to accept any sort of compromise on your idea to make it more livable for those that it will affect negatively (most of EVE but you).

This would not do what you want, would hurt the game on almost every level, would punish the industrial backbone of EVE in such a way as to make the game extremely unfun for the majority of players.

It's a self serving, poorly thought out attempt to grab as much grief and rage as you can before the idea itself kills the game. In other words, it's a bad idea.

So. Many. Assholes.

You're welcome, Ewersmen.

I didn't say people don't like PvP. I'd have to answer positively to the question as well, though it's not my preference with the culture that exists now. Gate camping is another matter entirely. PvP would be hurt as markets run out of control.

This would negatively impact nearly everyone, and be ruinous to some. There are other ways you can get targets, and other ways to hunt. You want to alter the game to boost your playstyle at the expense of nearly everyone else.

Bad idea.

Intar this isn't about fixing lowsec, it's not broken. Actually it's the best functioning area of New Eden after wormholes.

This idea aims to make EVE a better game by creating more interesting, varied and volatile markets.

+1 again, CCP make it so

Why would markets run out of control, I think we settled this question to.

Also you neglect to mention exactly what play styles or aspects of those playstles would be destroyed by this.

This has been adressed already, but I know its nearly impossible to read through 60some pages of posts.

So the thing about using a JF is ... Dundundun... It uses fuel. The cost of fuel will take away some of your profits. This means there will be things that won't be worth the cost of fuel to use a jump freighter to move. This leaves stuff for the regular haulers to move around too.

Then there's the fact that ccp changed the way ice is gathered. High sec has a limit on the isotopes you can harvest. This means if a lot of people start using JFs to get from empire to empire, the demand will increase dramatically and the price will be reflective. That means things will only be worth jumping when there is enough extra profit to cover the increasing costs of fuel. Ironcially fuel will probably always have a margin to make from jumping it because its price will always be perportional to the cost of itself ;).

The higher fuel costs get, the better margin there would be for people to move things in small haulers.

Disagree?

I would submit to you that this point is not true. You compared empire boarders to that of the US Mexican border. However, FEDERAL Agents patrol that border, not Texas state police. Just as CONCORD patrols empire boarders not empire police. Its ironic that you chose the US because it is similar to eve. Just as individual states act as empire police, the feds act as concord. As for damage done to lore, I dont see that being outweighed by gameplay improvement. We have already went on lore damaging sprees as of late. For instance, a hulk can hold upwards of 10K m3 and a Mackinaw can hold upwards of 35K m3. One would assume that the Mackinaw model would be larger than the hulk. However, we know by size comparison that the hulk is a larger ship. Thus it makes absolutely no sense at all. Yet we accept it in the name of improved gameplay.

Personally, I think the empires are fine the way they are. By the way, good luck finding a wh that goes from amarr high sec to caldari high sec that will fit a freighter through. If you do, its likely not to fit very many. These frontiers you speak of exist in 0.0 not empire space. The only reason there are low sec systems is lack of resources to patrol them, not because they are on the edge of frontier space. You speak as is all 4 empires are completely cut off and separate from one another. However, combined with jovians, concord was formed to patrol the border areas that are 0.5-0.7 along the empires. If you look at the map you can see that the home systems for the empires are 1.0 systems as you move away from those home systems it works its way down to 0.5 where concord is. Thus your metaphor of the US Mexican boarder is completely true in this instance. What YOU are asking for is a US Mexican boarder with no patrol at all.

Why would markets run out of control? This is one of your intended consequences, market pressure to get haulers into lowsec. Attempting to force all trade through relatively tiny blockade runners or the crapshoot that are wormholes are a bad joke. I would have thought the issue was discussed in as much detail as anyone could want too, but neither side accepts the other's view.

What stops pirates from becoming haulers? What stops them now? If they wanted to do this, they would be doing it. As has been said, pirates are not a homogenous bloc either, just because one decides to haul does not mean the others will let him. If there is a big enough profit to be made (as will happen when the markets get too stupid) the big alliances will come and secure pipes to move what they want, and then they will close them or let the pirates do it for them to maximize profit.

You finally admitted that much of the point of this is a boost to gate camping. That's all it really is. At least until the game perishes to the pirate's actions.

The gameplay you want is already possible, go do it. No need to wreck everything else for it.

I dont get how this would affect the market either. Sure there'll be bigger price fluctuations but that will just encourage more industrialists to spread out and serve their local trade hubs.