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Most valuable/sought after Cruiser size (or smaller) ships in PvP corps & fleets?
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Grunklestank
Break on Through to the Other Side of Omega
#1 - 2013-07-06 21:51:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Grunklestank
Preferably Amarr ships...

I'm a fairly low SP pilot still. I'm trying to skill up so as to be valuable to a null-sec PvP corp. I'd enjoy any role, just not sure what is most needed usually.
shadonight
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-07-06 22:35:37 UTC
I am no longer a null seccer but would say logi (Guardian)
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#3 - 2013-07-07 08:28:09 UTC
Yeah, logi, pretty much
Rubi Jackson
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-07-07 08:56:15 UTC
Logi / HICs, probably.
Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
#5 - 2013-07-07 13:14:10 UTC
bellicoses.

Hundreds of bellicoses.
Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-07-07 16:23:21 UTC
Interdictor. I sing it's praises all the time.

No other ship is as ubiquitous in any given (null sec) fleet as the Dictor. Virtually no fleet undocks in null sec (except maybe Blops) without a Dictor or two. No other single ship makes as big of an impact on an engagement as the one that warp jammed the entire enemy fleet with one button.

Easy to train for, and for those looking to null sec, a better investment for training time than most of the T2 frigates. It's very rare that FC's prefer any frigate over a Dictor given the choice. Frigates (other than SB's in their snowflake role) are something an FC might call for if he already has enough Dictors in fleet....
Every skill needed to fly them enhances your PvP skills like Prop Jam V that you should have anyway.

Flying a Dictor makes great use of manual piloting, another thing every PvP'er should know. Get good with the D-Scan and you also become the fleet scout, operating ahead or behind the main fleet rather than just being in the herd being fleet warped around.

Many pilots ignore it as a role to really explore, but Dictors offer incredible depth if one doesn't just skip past them in favor of larger, shinier hulls.
Being that you WILL die a lot in a Dictor, it is also very much a bro-role ship to fly. Losses are usually 100% reimbursed, and no one complains that your skills aren't all maxed given that you generally end up without implants in your noodle most of the time.

Professional grade tackle is a great fleet role to get into for anyone. Newbs are immediately useful, even vital, fleet members- and vets can really shine with manual piloting and operating independent of the main fleet.
Norm Tempesta
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-07-07 18:14:15 UTC
Logi, dictors, good tacklers
Grunklestank
Break on Through to the Other Side of Omega
#8 - 2013-07-07 18:54:52 UTC
Alaric Faelen wrote:
Interdictor. I sing it's praises all the time.

...



Excellent post - thank you!! By the way, are you talking dictors or hictors here (or both)??
Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-07-07 20:13:09 UTC
I mean Dictors specifically for general use and low SP pilots. HICs are much less common, far more expensive, and take huge amounts of time to really train for.
The size of the bubble on a HIC depends on your HIC skill, a 6X skill. Meaning you have to max a racial cruiser AND the HIC skill to fully realize one. Most people just fly with HIC IV.
The Dictor bubble is always the same size, regardless of Dictor skill. The Dictor skill itself doesn't even need to be maxed out as weapons are very much secondary to your bubble. Just flying it at III is very common.
A fully fit, double bubble and cloak Sabre can run <70mil each while just the Onyx hull is over >200mil generally. HICs see their best use as capital tacklers and locking down stations.

If you like tackling, then certainly the HIC is a good ship to look into, but you will be much farther into PvP by the time you can fly one, and won't need my advice anymore by then. Any of the T2 cruisers really become the point at which pilots specialize, because training times run into a month or more for the first time. You can train most of the T2 frigates up in the time you'll spend just getting any T2 cruiser role fully realized. So by that point you may prefer to fly logi, or command ships, or some other role. Logi for example is much more common than HICs in null fleets.

Even tho I can fly much more 'advanced' ships, I love flying Sabres. It's free wheeling, manual piloting fun and I personally prefer to scout and operate ahead of the main fleet. If I'm late to a fleet and need to solo boat to the action, or just don't know what to bring, I default to my trusty Sabre- and no FC has ever been unhappy to see me (at least based on my ship selection, not my skill at Eve Online).
Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2013-07-07 20:25:03 UTC
Don't overlook training the anchoring skill so you can deploy mobile warp disruption bubbles. You could easily start off in an Augoror and keep some mobile warp disruptors in the cargo hold.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#11 - 2013-07-08 08:43:34 UTC
Tackle frigs/t1 logi prolly.

That said i'm not a 0.0 scrub.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Grunklestank
Break on Through to the Other Side of Omega
#12 - 2013-07-08 21:22:05 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Tackle frigs/t1 logi prolly.

That said i'm not a 0.0 scrub.



What is a 0.0 scrub? And that begs the question... what kinda scrub are you?
JAF Anders
Adenosine Inhibition
#13 - 2013-07-08 23:44:44 UTC
He's low-sec scrub, nothing to worry about. Check his killboard if you don't believe me.

The pursuit of excellence and stabbed plexing alts.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#14 - 2013-07-09 01:42:09 UTC
JAF Anders wrote:
He's low-sec scrub, nothing to worry about. Check his killboard if you don't believe me.


Its a pretty nice kind of scrub to be imo.

But in the end its just a different kind of scrub.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Grunklestank
Break on Through to the Other Side of Omega
#15 - 2013-07-09 02:11:59 UTC
Wait... how exactly is low-sec better pvp than null...????
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-07-09 02:36:37 UTC
Grunklestank wrote:
Wait... how exactly is low-sec better pvp than null...????


You get to fly your ship instead of anchoring on one guy and pressing f1 when he tells you

in all seriousness it's not better but just different.

Also to add to the logi/hic list I would say recons are also hella valuable. Rapier/Arazu combo or just go for full monty and get one of each race for magnificent buttsecks.

Art of Explosions
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2013-07-09 12:46:44 UTC
Start skilling for hero tackle.
Skill cores and supports.
Skill logi or recon

That should take you about a year give or take.
Tesoni Daven
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#18 - 2013-07-10 00:17:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Tesoni Daven
Grunklestank wrote:
Wait... how exactly is low-sec better pvp than null...????



Fleets also tend to be a lot smaller, and typically you see a lot more cruiser and battle-cruiser hulls as apposed to battleships.

Part of the reason is because without bubbles, it becomes much harder to force a fight against someone who really does not want to fight you. Not impossible, just harder. So as a result, to get good fights, you need to at least PRETEND to look somewhat engagable. Hence you end up with pilots alliances that can easily field fairly sizable T3 and faction BS blobs, cruising around in T1 cruiser small gangs, because otherwise no one will fight them without burning 15 jumps and 2 titan bridges. Which is fun all in it's own right.

You also almost never get time-dilation.



Also, my list of "Ships you need to be able to fly for null fleets" (organized roughly in the order of least-to-most training time)

Dictors.

Sensor damp Celestis

Attack BCs (Oracle if you join Tribal. Naga or Talos for everyone else)

Logi

Some kind of Armor BS. Apocs and Geddons used to be incredibly popular, but I think typhoons have largely replaced them (except nuet geddons)

Zealots (because pretty much everyone in null flys AHACs at some point)

Whatever T3 your alliance favors.

Snowflake alliance BS and cruiser fits.

Recons are nice, but honestly, they don't see all THAT much use, and there are rarely more than a handful needed per fleet. Celestis does that same job, for a tiny fraction of the cost, as a falcon.


As a closing remark, I will add that having at least TWO races, preferably one armor and one shield focused, trained up to BS IV and Large guns IV, (preferably with T2 med guns), will be some of the best invested skill points you will ever spend.