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Please don't get mad if ship skins are on the NeX store

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Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#81 - 2011-11-09 05:05:22 UTC
If they do this... I will want a Hello Kitty skin to put on my Vindicator just to IRK people.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#82 - 2011-11-09 05:06:43 UTC
Richard Aiel wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Richard Aiel wrote:
Yeah they go this route, Im out.
Star Trek Online tried the same thing.


Not even close.


really.... wanna elaborate on that?

https://www.startrekonline.com/store

click on "ships"

Those are vanity only skins for ships.


They also sold ships that you could not get any other way... that is what pissed people off. Not the paint jobs.

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Richard Aiel
The Merchants of War
#83 - 2011-11-09 05:13:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Aiel
Ranger 1 wrote:
Richard Aiel wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Richard Aiel wrote:
Yeah they go this route, Im out.
Star Trek Online tried the same thing.


Not even close.


really.... wanna elaborate on that?

https://www.startrekonline.com/store

click on "ships"

Those are vanity only skins for ships.


They also sold ships that you could not get any other way... that is what pissed people off. Not the paint jobs.


Technically no, you get them by grinding months and months of in game missions. Its insane and stupid but you can still do it.
I cant even remember what the hell you do to get them but theyre available in game.

But yes, ppl got pissed cause they thought they couldnt get them in game. They by the time they realized you could, there was really noone playing the game lol

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r188/buddahcjcc/SOA-3-2.jpg
Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
#84 - 2011-11-09 05:18:21 UTC
Fionaa wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:

From a different poster:

Quote:
I pay for my sub and i kinda take for granted that new game contet is what i keep paying eve online for, but maybe Im just fooling myself.


Okay, taking you seriously, by your definition the 4 new BC's coming next expansion should be provided to you for free as part of your subscription fee.


Your absolutly right I have to admit. But when you price the stuff in the nex store that high ccp are expecting people to buy plex. Now if i was able to convert 1 million isk into idk 100aurum to buy that pixel i could accept it.

No, that is not absolutely right. The new ships are being added to the game via the sandbox gamplay that is at the core of EVE. You either make it yourself or someone else makes it for you. If they were given to you for free then that would circumvent the sandbox gamplay that you are paying your sub for.

Nex (Cash Shop) / Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future.

Jenshae Chiroptera
#85 - 2011-11-09 05:18:23 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
If they do this... I will want a Hello Kitty skin to put on my Vindicator just to IRK people.


You think other people are going to look at your ship?
Maybe griefers to check who cares and will give them more tears.
Besides which, there are copy right problems with that.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#86 - 2011-11-09 05:21:29 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:

Besides which, there are copy right problems with that.

That's why for Christmas we need a Pink Kitty skin for the Drake.
Richard Aiel
The Merchants of War
#87 - 2011-11-09 05:22:01 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
If they do this... I will want a Hello Kitty skin to put on my Vindicator just to IRK people.


You think other people are going to look at your ship?
Maybe griefers to check who cares and will give them more tears.
Besides which, there are copy right problems with that.


lol copyright issues?

Look at corp names some day. Youd be profitting more from the corp name than you would be from the paint job on your ship.

Hell for once instance, "Band of Brothers" was a copyright of HBO
You saw how much CCP cared about that infringement

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r188/buddahcjcc/SOA-3-2.jpg
The Offerer
Doomheim
#88 - 2011-11-09 05:27:11 UTC  |  Edited by: The Offerer
Regular ship + AUR generated skin = Painted ship.

I see no problem there as long as you're not buying skinned ships directly for AUR.

The only slight annoyance that would cause me not to buy ship skins at all would be the utterly high AUR price, but then I would not ragequit, but rather ignore the feature until the price gets reasonable.

$1 (approx. 233 AUR) for a skin that gets destroyed when the ship is blown up is totally reasonable. Anything higher than that and I'll probably skip the feature completely. If anyone thinks that the price is too low, I can only say that the price is not low for me. It's CCP's choice whether they want the majority of players to be a potential market or not. It's their decision and I will respect it whether I get to buy the skins or not.
Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
#89 - 2011-11-09 05:31:11 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Tristan North wrote:
What about nebulae sold by nex? And new ship models, and engine trails.
Vanity stuff, isn't it?


No, none of the above are vanity items.

Nebulae are part of the environment.

So Ranger1 we finally see where you draw the line in the sand on the NEX Store.

Just one problem with your response, does the new nebulae's have any effect on gamplay in any way shape or form? No, they are for all intents and purpose pure vanity.

If clothing and ship paint/logos are vanity because they have no effect on gameplay, then there is a lot of scope for things in EVE to be put in the NEX Store.

This is one of the other problems with the NEX Store, where do you draw the line between what is vanity and what is not, because from your response it's looking pretty thin and vague.


Nex (Cash Shop) / Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future.

Noriko Mai
#90 - 2011-11-09 05:31:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Noriko Mai
Richard Aiel wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
If they do this... I will want a Hello Kitty skin to put on my Vindicator just to IRK people.


You think other people are going to look at your ship?
Maybe griefers to check who cares and will give them more tears.
Besides which, there are copy right problems with that.


lol copyright issues?

Look at corp names some day. Youd be profitting more from the corp name than you would be from the paint job on your ship.

Hell for once instance, "Band of Brothers" was a copyright of HBO
You saw how much CCP cared about that infringement



User generated Content like Corpnames is something completly different. If they let users make the skins themselves, then I think there will be no problem with copyright, see: User-generated content
But with flying dicks, of couse.

"Meh.." - Albert Einstein
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#91 - 2011-11-09 05:37:43 UTC
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:
Fionaa wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:

From a different poster:

Quote:
I pay for my sub and i kinda take for granted that new game contet is what i keep paying eve online for, but maybe Im just fooling myself.


Okay, taking you seriously, by your definition the 4 new BC's coming next expansion should be provided to you for free as part of your subscription fee.


Your absolutly right I have to admit. But when you price the stuff in the nex store that high ccp are expecting people to buy plex. Now if i was able to convert 1 million isk into idk 100aurum to buy that pixel i could accept it.

No, that is not absolutely right. The new ships are being added to the game via the sandbox gamplay that is at the core of EVE. You either make it yourself or someone else makes it for you. If they were given to you for free then that would circumvent the sandbox gamplay that you are paying your sub for.


Which was rather my point, and the point Fionaa agreed with.

You pay your sub for new content.

Sometimes that content is environmental or a game mechanic.
Sometimes that content (like the new BC's) is something you can make or someone else made or obtained (IE faction ships or BPCs for those ships from the LP store) to buy with ISK.

The NeX will either sell BPC's (or their equivalent) for paint jobs or will have player made items (ships, PI items, whatever) as part of the purchase price along with ISK or cash, which ever you prefer. PLEX can be purchased with either.

It is simply new content that you can purchase, and exactly like the new BC's you can spend either ISK to get the BP or ship itself... or you can spend cash to get it by buying and selling a PLEX.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#92 - 2011-11-09 05:46:34 UTC
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Tristan North wrote:
What about nebulae sold by nex? And new ship models, and engine trails.
Vanity stuff, isn't it?


No, none of the above are vanity items.

Nebulae are part of the environment.

So Ranger1 we finally see where you draw the line in the sand on the NEX Store.

Just one problem with your response, does the new nebulae's have any effect on gamplay in any way shape or form? No, they are for all intents and purpose pure vanity.

If clothing and ship paint/logos are vanity because they have no effect on gameplay, then there is a lot of scope for things in EVE to be put in the NEX Store.

This is one of the other problems with the NEX Store, where do you draw the line between what is vanity and what is not, because from your response it's looking pretty thin and vague.




I can't buy and personally own a Nebulae, it is part of the environment. Vanity items are things that you can purchase and own. If you have difficulty understanding that, I'm sorry. For most I think that is pretty cut and dried. Smile

Granted, "The Ranger" nebulae has kind of a ring to it. Blink

You are correct, CCP is restricting themselves to a very strict interpretation of what they will sell in the NeX. I don't fault them for this, there is a lot of unthinking hysteria about "pay to win" items. Most people don't even understand the definition of the term.

However, that is their choice and it is probably a wise one... firmly based in customer feed back.

Which, I presume, is exactly what you want. Smile

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Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
#93 - 2011-11-09 06:20:11 UTC
In reality Aurum should have been purely used by EVE players to fund the war efforts in Dust514, a game which is being setup from scratch as a F2P themepark/psuedo sandbox with microtransactions.

Personally I can't understand how CCP and some players are satisfied with the mediocre delivery of items into the sandbox of EVE via the NEX Store. With how CCP has handled the NEX, all they've done is alienate a whole lot of people both in the game and outside of it. Be Fearless CCP and show that you have the cherries to maintain the integrity of EVE as a sandbox game.

Put the NEX items back into the players hands by having them manufactured by them and destructable.

Nex (Cash Shop) / Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future.

Solhild
Doomheim
#94 - 2011-11-09 06:20:58 UTC
NeX is a bad idea - pure and simple.

Subscription is for content
Subscription means active players generating and destroying isk
Subscription allows some players to sell isk/time from other players with PLEX
PLEX supplements income for CCP

NeX only allows content for cash
Content is immersion and enhances player experiences

I've always been uncomfortable with the vanity only argument as it means you only get the full content experience if you pay more and more cash.

If we were building the game without this consideration, ship skins/logos, etc. would probably be earned from LP, be awarded for completing missions, running a corp, or having great standings - NeX means all of those options and game depth are replaced by cash Sad
Solhild
Doomheim
#95 - 2011-11-09 06:22:41 UTC
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:
In reality Aurum should have been purely used by EVE players to fund the war efforts in Dust514, a game which is being setup from scratch as a F2P themepark/psuedo sandbox with microtransactions.

Personally I can't understand how CCP and some players are satisfied with the mediocre delivery of items into the sandbox of EVE via the NEX Store. With how CCP has handled the NEX, all they've done is alienate a whole lot of people both in the game and outside of it. Be Fearless CCP and show that you have the cherries to maintain the integrity of EVE as a sandbox game.

Put the NEX items back into the players hands by having them manufactured by them and destructable.



Spot on Big smile
DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#96 - 2011-11-09 06:25:25 UTC  |  Edited by: DarkAegix
Solhild wrote:

NeX allows content for Aurum, thus ISK.
Content is immersion and enhances player experiences

I've always been uncomfortable with the vanity only argument as it means you only get the full content experience if you pay more and more Aurum, thus ISK.

If we were building the game without this consideration, ship skins/logos, etc. would probably be earned from LP, be awarded for completing missions, running a corp, or having great standings - NeX means all of those options and game depth are replaced by Aurum, thus ISK.Smile

FYP.

Don't pay a cent if you don't want to.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#97 - 2011-11-09 06:25:50 UTC
Richard Aiel wrote:


lol copyright issues?

Look at corp names some day. Youd be profitting more from the corp name than you would be from the paint job on your ship.

Hell for once instance, "Band of Brothers" was a copyright of HBO
You saw how much CCP cared about that infringement



Players and the names they make are not the same as CCP making things with branded and copy righted material. Tracking down and suing you all instead of one company is a whole lot more difficult.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#98 - 2011-11-09 06:26:01 UTC
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:
In reality Aurum should have been purely used by EVE players to fund the war efforts in Dust514, a game which is being setup from scratch as a F2P themepark/psuedo sandbox with microtransactions.

Personally I can't understand how CCP and some players are satisfied with the mediocre delivery of items into the sandbox of EVE via the NEX Store. With how CCP has handled the NEX, all they've done is alienate a whole lot of people both in the game and outside of it. Be Fearless CCP and show that you have the cherries to maintain the integrity of EVE as a sandbox game.

Put the NEX items back into the players hands by having them manufactured by them and destructable.



I can agree with everything but the first sentence.

You are correct, up to now the implementation and presentation of the NeX store has been handled very, very badly.

And yes, CCP has already indicated that player driven industry must be part of the NeX... specifically in regards to ship skins. There are rumbles that it could extend to clothing as well (and it should).

I'm hoping ships skins will be the issue that finally changes their minds about NeX items being indestructible, and consequently change their thinking about current price points.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#99 - 2011-11-09 06:28:07 UTC
DarkAegix wrote:
Solhild wrote:

NeX allows content for Aurum, thus ISK.
Content is immersion and enhances player experiences

I've always been uncomfortable with the vanity only argument as it means you only get the full content experience if you pay more and more Aurum, thus ISK.

If we were building the game without this consideration, ship skins/logos, etc. would probably be earned from LP, be awarded for completing missions, running a corp, or having great standings - NeX means all of those options and game depth are replaced by Aurum, thus ISK.Smile

FYP.

Don't pay a cent if you don't want to.


Thank you, you saved me the trouble. Smile

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Cur
Back Door Burglars
#100 - 2011-11-09 06:28:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Cur
if CCP had of released the first items in the NeX store as ship skins the whole unsub thing probablywouldent have been anywhere near as bad, and possibly not have happend at all.

I understand CCP is in need of more funding, i am perfectly OK , and WILL put IRL money into the game for ship skins as long as they do not try to be greedy (like they did with the Monocle...) and try to sell a single paint color for $90 irl or something stupid like $10 per skin that can only be applied once.


So CCP - Your'e call on if we buy it or not. Still think greed is good? heh

and CCP also missed the point on "micro" transactions

Its small transactions (1-5$) made lots of times - by alot of people = big bucks

Being greedy fucks = only idiots buy, and not THAT many people are idiots, so in the long run CCP looses out from their greed.