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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#41 - 2013-07-08 01:52:16 UTC
Korsavius wrote:

Coming from someone who has defied the will of the CEP, and by extension the Caldari people, on more than one occasion. Please.

Look, minmatar, if you don't know what is going in the State, better just shut up, or ask any not dissidenting citizen instead of making crazy assumptions.
I am not in the mood to lecturing jaijii like you right now.

Korsavius wrote:

As for the original poster, congratulations on your meager victory in a pointless, endless war. You do yourself and the hard-working citizens of the State who serve aboard your vessels and die much good in capturing a system that will be in the hands of the Federation by the end of next week. Once again, congratulations.

If you are so confident about your lovely Federation, why wouldn't you just go lick their boots as you did a couple of years ago (whose boots they were? Qcats or some other federal scum?)
Ahh, I forgot! We are beating their sore bums all over the place and you are afraid for your own bum? Very well, continue hiding in nullsec. Less trouble for our State.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation
#42 - 2013-07-08 02:01:16 UTC
ColonelNick wrote:

1.No sense of patriotism in this one -_-'

2. Were it not for our brave state protectorate pilots and their crews willing to sacrifice for the state, liberating the systems the Federation has forcefully taken, we would have been overrun by the Gallenteans a long time ago.
3. The Federation is where you belong if you don't support the people who defend you and yours from Federal oppression.
4. Don't dare call yourself Caldari while you sit there behind the line shouting at your fellow countrymen that what they're doing for you is "pointless" and mock them when they achieve success.
5. You sicken me.

1. One facet of my patriotism stems from those who realize the Federation is not the real enemy of the State, but rather other hostile entities such as the Guristas, Nation, Blood Raiders, et cetera. A fair portion of the Federation doesn't even wish for the continuation of this silly quasi-war. You obviously do not realize this.
2. I believe the FDU has once captured all the low-sec systems not too long ago. The Federation did not come pouring into State high-sec space because of this.
3. Hah.
4. If you define success as gaining a system in a pointless back-and-forth war at the cost of thousands of lives belonging to State citizens, then I question your sanity. The only thing Protectorate pilots who siege systems beyond Black Rise do is provide me with more funerals to attend.
5. Hah.

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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#43 - 2013-07-08 02:02:10 UTC
Korsavius wrote:

As for the original poster, congratulations on your meager victory in a pointless, endless war. You do yourself and the hard-working citizens of the State who serve aboard your vessels and die much good in capturing a system that will be in the hands of the Federation by the end of next week. Once again, congratulations.


Do I criticise the way you've chosen to serve the State, Korsavius-haan? You certainly didn't tell me to my face when you hosted that excellent party that you think State Protectorate service is worthless.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#44 - 2013-07-08 02:04:17 UTC
Hamish Grayson wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Steffanie Saissore wrote:
While I admire the zeal you have to your State and people, you blind yourself with hate and pettiness.

I am also curious as to whom you refer to when you say everyone with a drop of Gallente blood must be killed as I am fairly certain a large number of your own people might take issue with that proclamation.

We will protect the State from all enemies, Ms. Saissore, foreign and domestic alike.



You are the State's enemy.

And you are little funny man.
No, really, why some irrelevant dissident decides he can blame others in being enemy?
Go back to your nullsec hideout and continue fighting for your own purse. I hope you will die there soon. Alone.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation
#45 - 2013-07-08 03:32:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Korsavius
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Korsavius wrote:

As for the original poster, congratulations on your meager victory in a pointless, endless war. You do yourself and the hard-working citizens of the State who serve aboard your vessels and die much good in capturing a system that will be in the hands of the Federation by the end of next week. Once again, congratulations.


Do I criticise the way you've chosen to serve the State, Korsavius-haan? You certainly didn't tell me to my face when you hosted that excellent party that you think State Protectorate service is worthless.

I don't think that statement was directed at you. Moreover, I clearly criticized the war itself as being pointless, never once putting "pointless" and "State Protectorate" together. Since we're on the topic, I think State Protectorate "service" in seeking conquest of systems beyond Black Rise is worthless and foolish, though. It only provides fuel to a fire that has long needed to die.

Diana Kim wrote:
Look, minmatar, if you don't know what is going in the State, better just shut up, or ask any not dissidenting citizen instead of making crazy assumptions.
I am not in the mood to lecturing jaijii like you right now.

Please do. I would love to hear what someone like you has to lecture me about how this State operates.

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Civ Kado
State War Academy
Caldari State
#46 - 2013-07-08 06:21:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Civ Kado
Korsavius wrote:

1. One facet of my patriotism stems from those who realize the Federation is not the real enemy of the State, but rather other hostile entities such as the Guristas, Nation, Blood Raiders, et cetera. A fair portion of the Federation doesn't even wish for the continuation of this silly quasi-war. You obviously do not realize this.

How the hell can you say this while the Gallente are literally killing our men at this very moment?! That's the sort of thing a Gallentean spy would say. This isn't a "quasi-war", this is total war, and I intend to give it all I got to kill the Gallente menace.

I don't care how many Gallentians don't wish to fight when their government is financing the destruction of The State. THINK!
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#47 - 2013-07-08 07:56:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
Korsavius wrote:

I don't think that statement was directed at you. Moreover, I clearly criticized the war itself as being pointless, never once putting "pointless" and "State Protectorate" together. Since we're on the topic, I think State Protectorate "service" in seeking conquest of systems beyond Black Rise is worthless and foolish, though. It only provides fuel to a fire that has long needed to die.


It's very simple. We're there because THEY are there. And because they ARE there, we need to prosecute the war wherever the opportunity demands. Despite the acceptable conclusion to the matter of Caldari Prime. Despite the revocation of Heth's position. The FDU are still attacking in Black Rise. Do you think their own systems should be exempt out of some sort of Liberal generosity? No.

We will stay in the warzone until there is a negotiated peace. We will continue to bleed the FDU untill there is a negotiated peace. We don't need your approval or your thanks to do so. Continue doing whatever it is that you do to expand Ishukone's profits - it's noble enough work.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation
#48 - 2013-07-08 08:37:01 UTC
Civ Kado wrote:
How the hell can you say this while the Gallente are literally killing our men at this very moment?! That's the sort of thing a Gallentean spy would say. This isn't a "quasi-war", this is total war, and I intend to give it all I got to kill the Gallente menace.

I don't care how many Gallentians don't wish to fight when their government is financing the destruction of The State. THINK!

The last time I checked, the empire navies weren't duking it out. So sit back down and quit sucking in the propaganda from your superior officer.


Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
It's very simple. We're there because THEY are there. And because they ARE there, we need to prosecute the war wherever the opportunity demands. Despite the acceptable conclusion to the matter of Caldari Prime. Despite the revocation of Heth's position. The FDU are still attacking in Black Rise. Do you think their own systems should be exempt out of some sort of Liberal generosity? No.

We will stay in the warzone until there is a negotiated peace. We will continue to bleed the FDU untill there is a negotiated peace. We don't need your approval or your thanks to do so. Continue doing whatever it is that you do to expand Ishukone's profits - it's noble enough work.

You make a great assumption thinking my statements were made given my political affiliation. On the contrary, they were made from experience I gained through living almost half a century. Sometimes you have to cast away your pride, bite the bullet, and be the bigger man. For your own sake, I hope you never realize this because once you do, the cluster becomes a little more pale.

As for my approval, I did not come here forcing such a thing upon anyone. My thanks? My thanks go out to CONCORD for helping to create an endless war which has cost the lives of thousands of State citizens for absolutely no gain whatsoever. Now if you will excuse me, I have more funerals to attend. Rikaato.

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#49 - 2013-07-08 09:06:41 UTC
Korsavius wrote:

Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
It's very simple. We're there because THEY are there. And because they ARE there, we need to prosecute the war wherever the opportunity demands. Despite the acceptable conclusion to the matter of Caldari Prime. Despite the revocation of Heth's position. The FDU are still attacking in Black Rise. Do you think their own systems should be exempt out of some sort of Liberal generosity? No.

We will stay in the warzone until there is a negotiated peace. We will continue to bleed the FDU untill there is a negotiated peace. We don't need your approval or your thanks to do so. Continue doing whatever it is that you do to expand Ishukone's profits - it's noble enough work.

You make a great assumption thinking my statements were made given my political affiliation. On the contrary, they were made from experience I gained through living almost half a century. Sometimes you have to cast away your pride, bite the bullet, and be the bigger man. For your own sake, I hope you never realize this because once you do, the cluster becomes a little more pale.

Oh, your experience, I see.

Do you know, minmatar, why of all four empires in our cluster, only Caldari through the history didn't develop slavery? eh?
Well, if you want, you can do just like your Minmatar-friends did when Amarr attacked you in the first place, and became slaves to the Empire to save your puny lives. I bet you know a lot about casting away your own pride, and being a bigger man-slaves. This is why you, minmatars, will never understand Caldari. We would better die than follow the path of humiliation, that your people are so experienced walking on.

But if you are eager to cast away some pride, I can make contact to my friends in the Empire, who will gladly allow you back to the slave pen, where you do belong.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#50 - 2013-07-08 09:44:09 UTC
Korsavius wrote:
You make a great assumption thinking my statements were made given my political affiliation. On the contrary, they were made from experience I gained through living almost half a century. Sometimes you have to cast away your pride, bite the bullet, and be the bigger man. For your own sake, I hope you never realize this because once you do, the cluster becomes a little more pale.


Just remember. As much as the current peace on Home depends on Ishukone's negotiation that negotiation never once occurred in the centuries since we were forced out. As much as I hate what Heth became, seizing Home put the subject on the agenda with the Federation and MADE them take notice of it.

The Federation is often deafened by the din of it's internal issues. You have to shout loudly to be heard. That's what we're doing in the warzone, we're shouting. Sometimes you have to be the bigger man by getting up off your behind and doing something.


Korsavius wrote:
As for my approval, I did not come here forcing such a thing upon anyone. My thanks? My thanks go out to CONCORD for helping to create an endless war which has cost the lives of thousands of State citizens for absolutely no gain whatsoever. Now if you will excuse me, I have more funerals to attend. Rikaato.


That's fine, I'm sure by now you realise that your approval is a commodity of limited value to me. Think I know nothing about funerals? MY crews bear the cost - NOT yours. Ask them if they want to stand down and leave the people of Black Rise to the tender mercies of the Black Eagle muder squads and psychopaths like X-Gallentius?

If you want to be the bigger man, put some pressure on the Corporate higher-ups to get to the table and negotiate an honourable peace - until then, I'll stick with my honourable war, thank you.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#51 - 2013-07-08 09:47:32 UTC
Korsavius wrote:
As for my approval, I did not come here forcing such a thing upon anyone. My thanks? My thanks go out to CONCORD for helping to create an endless war which has cost the lives of thousands of State citizens for absolutely no gain whatsoever. Now if you will excuse me, I have more funerals to attend. Rikaato.


While it is true that the limited conflict that is the CEWPA war is a brutal and bloody affair it is still not the most brutal and bloody of human affairs. At times a soldier must accept calmly the futility of their lives, and that at times they will be called upon to charge forward into death to purchase for others with their own blood the seizing of ground, the completion of an objective and for those at home perhaps a political solution that with dignity and honour secures the peace. I do not fight the CEWPA war for fortune, fame or glory but rather in the recognition that in its endless abyss of death and destruction lies the hope - however slim - that the conflict is contained and barring potential escalation does not proceed to Total War.

It really is as simple as that, and to me I will gladly undertake the sacrifices in such futile violence for that is the choice I have made according to where I feel my own duty lies. If I am the one the Winds have tasked to soak my hands in blood, to bear the burdens of conscience as bullet holes make their mark where my compassion used to be as I must continue to live while young men and women die under my command then so be it for at least it's better that I shall burn than my fellow citizens who are not in my position.

If you do not have the same fortitude and constitution to do so, Korsavius, then there is no shame in that for the Maker did not create us all equally: Some must fight and bleed while others enjoy the luxuries the sacrifices of others ensure and preserve.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#52 - 2013-07-08 10:44:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
It's very simple. We're there because THEY are there.


And they are there because we are there.

How delightfully circular.

That's not a criticism at you, my friend, it's an observation on the futility of the whole affair. the militia powers act doesn't extend to high security space and it seems to me that the war between State and Federation continues nowadays more out of spite, tit-for-tat and the fact that it's likely less expensive to run than it would be to stop. War is good for business, after all.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#53 - 2013-07-08 13:17:48 UTC
We were born and raised for this. Once as Caldari, once as capsuleers.
It's all nice and dandy, after all, when you're resting comfortable and safe by putting a solid distance between this conflict and yourself or by simply trusting in the abilities of those who're fighting it.
What this reeks of, however, is not an extraordinary amount of faith, but rather a solid disdain for the military.
Nowadays it's not as easy to hide behind anti-Heth sentiments, isn't it? Nowadays we hear the same arguments, just without the words 'Heth' or 'Provists' in them.

Do not let me detain you, though, for I know why we fight, and more importantly who we're fighting for, and I don't need your absolution or cheering for doing my duty.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#54 - 2013-07-08 13:36:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
I respect that. Genuinely respect it.

But duty comes in many flavours and many of them don't involve a single drop of blood. Please don't try to claim a monopoly on dutiful thought and action. It's no more right for the soldiers to belittle the civilians than it is for the engineers to belittle the retailers.

It's not just a case of "the civilians benefit because of our sacrifice" in a monodirectional relationship. The soldier and civilian worlds are more intertwined than that, almost to the point of symbiosis. Soldier, civilian, scientist, line worker, executive or foreman, we're all State and there's nothing to be gained from attempting to claim the martyr's limelight over our kirjuunen.

Warranted rebukes and criticism are one thing. Knee-jerk irritation at the suggestion that the war you're taking part in is a shameful waste which we could collectively do without is another - such observations do not constitute persecution. If you don't want absolution or cheering, then there's no need to demand respect. Do your work with professional modesty, and you will receive all the respect that is due, without having to defend yourselves.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#55 - 2013-07-08 13:59:48 UTC
It is neither mine nor your call whether this war is a shameful waste or a necessity. We can have opinions on this, but in the end, yes, we have to do our duty, as befitting every conscripted soldier or corporate mercenary. Like I've hinted at, it is different on the frontlines. It comes down to the luxury of choice, too. No one is forcing me to do this. Other kirjuun do not have that luxury, and in my eyes, it is an insult to their sacrifices and deeds if I spend my time lounging in a tea house, complaining about the stupidity and senselessness of this war.

I'm not speaking up for myself, my associates or those pilots under my wings, I'm speaking up for my fellow compatriots - soldiers, engineers, pioneers, colonists - who're living in the contested territories. Is their struggle - their fate - a waste, too? I believe not. And don't insult them with the notion that bending over and giving up their homes - even if they're only the first generations of colonists - is an acceptable route. Do you think we'd be enjoying the current compromise on Home if no one would've fought back on the surface? Do you think we'd have that if we didn't cross the border in the first place?

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#56 - 2013-07-08 14:49:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Desiderya wrote:
I'm speaking up for my fellow compatriots - soldiers, engineers, pioneers, colonists - who're living in the contested territories. Is their struggle - their fate - a waste, too?


Their fate is that they are the thing being wasted.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Civ Kado
State War Academy
Caldari State
#57 - 2013-07-08 14:57:39 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Desiderya wrote:
I'm speaking up for my fellow compatriots - soldiers, engineers, pioneers, colonists - who're living in the contested territories. Is their struggle - their fate - a waste, too?


Their fate is that they are the thing being wasted.


Listen here, you have no right to say that. Not only because you have no power, but also because at least we are fighting for a cause.

what the hell are you fighting for? What are you striving for?! Nothing, that's what. So before you try to devalue my, and my fellow men's, endeavors and hard work, I suggest you bring your best hull and I'll show you who is the one getting wasted here.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#58 - 2013-07-08 15:05:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
I am devaluing nobody's effort. I'm entirely appreciative of the accomplishments and service of the STPRO. But I still fully and honestly consider the whole thing to be a tragic waste of life, resources and opportunities which needs to end sooner rather than later. Would you have me lie to you about that to spare your feelings? You must have a lower opinion of your own fortitude than I do.

If you feel insulted by that sentiment, then I am not to blame for your bruised pride. You are taking offense that I am not giving.

And if I am wrong, please don't be angry with me - We all make mistakes. But I will require proof that I am wrong, please.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#59 - 2013-07-08 15:38:37 UTC
Civ Kado wrote:

what the hell are you fighting for? What are you striving for?! Nothing, that's what.


Your arrogance to think that a petty war, which resolves nothing and leads to little more than the deaths of millions of men and women caught up in blind patriotism, is the only thing worth fighting for is astounding.

Verin has his own goals, his own causes and his own motivations, and I dare say they're better than yours.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Steffanie Saissore
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#60 - 2013-07-08 15:55:20 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
DEATH TO GALLENTE SCUM !


How many of your own people have you thrown away to pursue your petty hatred?

You talk about honor, yet have none yourself.

At one time I did respect your conviction, but having seen things progress, you have proven yourself to be nothing more than a bully, resorting to threats of violence against anyone who isn't Caldari or supporting the State.

You are a slave to your own hatred and blood lust.

We travel in the dark of the new moon,

A starry highway traced on the map of the sky