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Faction or T2 cruise missile?

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Crissolo
gauloises red
#1 - 2013-07-07 16:31:24 UTC
Hello guys,
i'm training for T2 cruise missile launcher but i don't know if is better to use faction cruise missile or t2 cruise missile on a raven with rigor rigs....
Let me know
Thanks
Bye
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#2 - 2013-07-07 16:47:38 UTC
Use precision for cruisr and down, cn for bc and fury for bs
Whitehound
#3 - 2013-07-07 17:06:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Your question makes no sense when you can use all.

You switch missiles to a matching damage type and the range and the target's hull size. For example, when you are shooting at a shield-tanked frigate might you want to use Inferno Precision, when the target is big and uses an armor tank might you want to use Nova Rage. If you are uncertain and have a bonus to Kinetic damage then CN Scourge might be best. When you want to use Precision, but the target is out of range for Precision do you use Faction missiles. ...

Only when you cannot get T2 ammo or not all types are available on the market, or just do not want to switch, do you go with faction ammo as the all-round type.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#4 - 2013-07-07 17:12:33 UTC
For missions, I have always used T1 ammo. My drones kill the small stuff and my missiles do the rest.

Rigors or Target Painter (or both) help close the gap with 'applied' damage.
Crissolo
gauloises red
#5 - 2013-07-07 17:15:39 UTC
i use a raven with target painter, rigors and i do belt ratting in 0.0.
Now i use the t1 cruise missile but in some days i can finally use the t2 launcher and i want more firepowerEvil
Whitehound
#6 - 2013-07-07 17:24:41 UTC
RavenPaine wrote:
For missions, I have always used T1 ammo. My drones kill the small stuff and my missiles do the rest.

Rigors or Target Painter (or both) help close the gap with 'applied' damage.

Wait until you can fly a Marauder. You will have a 100% damage bonus with only 4 weapon high-slots. It cuts the ammo consumption in half and once you tasted T2 can you not stop.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-07-07 17:44:40 UTC
t1 works just fine.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-07-07 17:50:44 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Your question makes no sense when you can use all.


Sure it does. Depending on the situation it can add up in reload time. Sure you can load specific ammo for each enemy you are shooting at (assuming PVE here, PVP can be a different can of worms, although the same principle applies) but each reload costs time. Sometimes precision may work better against frigs. But if a mission only has a handful you might be better off letting your drones plink away at them saving you several reloads.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-07-07 17:55:54 UTC
Fury cruise has exp radius larger than torps, you will not apply full dmg even to BS rat without painters. If you fit painters, feel free. If not, just use faction missiles, switch to precision as situation arise.
Whitehound
#10 - 2013-07-07 17:56:39 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Depending on the situation it can add up in reload time.

It is not what I said. There is a difference between "can" and "have to". You are wrong when you say it "can add up". Switching ammo "does add up".

Tip of the Day: Get your grammar right and with it will your reading comprehension improve.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#11 - 2013-07-07 18:05:54 UTC
Crissolo wrote:
Hello guys,
i'm training for T2 cruise missile launcher but i don't know if is better to use faction cruise missile or t2 cruise missile on a raven with rigor rigs....
Let me know
Thanks
Bye


Once you're using a CNR, it's T1 for everything up to the BCs, T2 Fury for the BS.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
marVLs
#12 - 2013-07-07 18:28:36 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Crissolo wrote:
Hello guys,
i'm training for T2 cruise missile launcher but i don't know if is better to use faction cruise missile or t2 cruise missile on a raven with rigor rigs....
Let me know
Thanks
Bye


Once you're using a CNR, it's T1 for everything up to the BCs, T2 Fury for the BS.



This^
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-07-07 18:33:22 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Depending on the situation it can add up in reload time.

It is not what I said. There is a difference between "can" and "have to". You are wrong when you say it "can add up". Switching ammo "does add up".

Tip of the Day: Get your grammar right and with it will your reading comprehension improve.



Whitehound wrote:
You switch missiles to a matching damage type and the range and the target's hull size. For example, when you are shooting at a shield-tanked frigate might you want to use Inferno Precision, when the target is big and uses an armor tank might you want to use Nova Rage. If you are uncertain and have a bonus to Kinetic damage then CN Scourge might be best. When you want to use Precision, but the target is out of range for Precision do you use Faction missiles. ...


That is what you said. You didn't say "you can switch missiles to a matching damage type and the range of the targets hull size"

Reading that paragraph seems to advocate lots of ammo switching for each target you shoot at, rather than illustrating that you "can".

For example, I lob lots of missiles at Sleepers to make my isk. While I CAN switch to precision for the frigates, in many cases there aren't enough of them to justify 2 ammo changes to do so.

And I said the time "Can" add up because while ammo changes do take time, in some cases it can make sense if that ammo change will lower the number of volleys to kill a particular set of targets, which could lower the overall completion time. So it "can" add up if you change ammo when it doesn't make sense. But it "can" also save you time if you do it wisely.


Tip of the day: be less of an ******* and people might not jump all over you so much.
Whitehound
#14 - 2013-07-07 19:10:20 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
You switch missiles to a matching damage type and the range and the target's hull size. For example, when you are shooting at a shield-tanked frigate might you want to use Inferno Precision, when the target is big and uses an armor tank might you want to use Nova Rage. If you are uncertain and have a bonus to Kinetic damage then CN Scourge might be best. When you want to use Precision, but the target is out of range for Precision do you use Faction missiles. ...


That is what you said.

And there is nothing wrong with it. It is a good advise.

Anything you want to ask me before I move on again?

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-07-07 20:47:54 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
You switch missiles to a matching damage type and the range and the target's hull size. For example, when you are shooting at a shield-tanked frigate might you want to use Inferno Precision, when the target is big and uses an armor tank might you want to use Nova Rage. If you are uncertain and have a bonus to Kinetic damage then CN Scourge might be best. When you want to use Precision, but the target is out of range for Precision do you use Faction missiles. ...


That is what you said.

And there is nothing wrong with it. It is a good advise.

Anything you want to ask me before I move on again?


I never asked anything but thanks. And I was not "correcting" your statement, I was clarifying it. Someone who is very new might take it literally to think they need to OMG change ammo for every type of rat they shoot, and it is important to understand all of the variables when deciding which ammo to load when.
Whitehound
#16 - 2013-07-07 21:56:34 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
I never asked anything but thanks. And I was not "correcting" your statement, I was clarifying it. Someone who is very new might take it literally to think they need to OMG change ammo for every type of rat they shoot, and it is important to understand all of the variables when deciding which ammo to load when.

Someone very new will not be thinking about T2 ammo, but I do get your point. Good catch. Someone with OCD might try and relapse.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-07-07 22:23:49 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
I never asked anything but thanks. And I was not "correcting" your statement, I was clarifying it. Someone who is very new might take it literally to think they need to OMG change ammo for every type of rat they shoot, and it is important to understand all of the variables when deciding which ammo to load when.

Someone very new will not be thinking about T2 ammo, but I do get your point. Good catch. Someone with OCD might try and relapse.



The OP said he is training for T2. And he is 8 days old... I had been trying to make my replies with that context in mind.
Bi-Mi Lansatha
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-07-08 00:15:50 UTC
Crissolo wrote:
Hello guys,
i'm training for T2 cruise missile launcher but i don't know if is better to use faction cruise missile or t2 cruise missile on a raven with rigor rigs....
Let me know
Thanks
Bye
Cruise Missiles were 'buffed' with Odyssey: so before you take advise from anyone find out if they have used them since those changes.

With good skills, a painter and T2 rigs... (against NPCs)

All type of Cruise Missiles will apply full damage to Battleships and Battle Cruisers. This makes the choice easy Fury as their damage is +20% greater than any other choice. Destroyers are very weak and are destroyed in one shot with Fury missiles.

For Frigates Precision will apply the most damage as both Fury and Faction missiles have significantly worse Explosion velocity and radius.

That leaves Cruisers which are mixed bag: some are slow and big while other are small and fast. Which missiles is best is really based on the individual type of ship and not the class.

So...
Battleships, Battle Cruisers, and Destroyer... use Fury.
Frigate... use Precision
Cruisers.... it depends.

Note: if you obtain a Raven Navy Issue then Fury Missiles are used for all ship classes accept Frigates. It is now that good.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2013-07-08 05:44:27 UTC
Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:
Crissolo wrote:
Hello guys,
i'm training for T2 cruise missile launcher but i don't know if is better to use faction cruise missile or t2 cruise missile on a raven with rigor rigs....
Let me know
Thanks
Bye
Cruise Missiles were 'buffed' with Odyssey: so before you take advise from anyone find out if they have used them since those changes.

With good skills, a painter and T2 rigs... (against NPCs)

All type of Cruise Missiles will apply full damage to Battleships and Battle Cruisers. This makes the choice easy Fury as their damage is +20% greater than any other choice. Destroyers are very weak and are destroyed in one shot with Fury missiles.

For Frigates Precision will apply the most damage as both Fury and Faction missiles have significantly worse Explosion velocity and radius.

That leaves Cruisers which are mixed bag: some are slow and big while other are small and fast. Which missiles is best is really based on the individual type of ship and not the class.

So...
Battleships, Battle Cruisers, and Destroyer... use Fury.
Frigate... use Precision
Cruisers.... it depends.

Note: if you obtain a Raven Navy Issue then Fury Missiles are used for all ship classes accept Frigates. It is now that good.

Waste of isk.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!
Bi-Mi Lansatha
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-07-08 07:22:28 UTC
Caleidascope wrote:

Waste of isk.
Why is that?
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