Ships & Modules

I know the stupid gank fit isn't good, I was just pointing out it's in the same league as a 4 damage mod Vindicator which is pretty incredible. (not that a neutron Vindicator is that great either)

Still, I'd love to know why the cruise fit that shoots things from 50km away is bad. When you have 50km heavy neuts, frigs and cruisers coming after you are not a real threat. The sentry drones have much better tracking than pulse lasers with scorch as well.

It's 1158 DPS (1225 heated) with just 3 drone mods in the lows, you can still fit a tank. That's a lot more DPS than the pulse geddon and the geddon doesn't have 50km neuts on top of it.

Your numbers don't add up. A set of Curator IIs with 3x drone dmg mods is 600 dps, not 1158 dps. Even with a rack of Fury Cruise (which has exp radius larger than torps, you won't even hit BS for full dmg), it's 900 dps. Unless you fill all lows with dmg mods, and have no tank.

In pvp, you'll want a rack of neuts instead of a rack of missiles. In pve, it's just an inferior droneboat to domi, and not competitive with navy geddon.

Neut range is definitely more useful than amount. The volume of space covered is far larger. In the old domi neutboat, I could rarely use neut offensively, because they'll always be out of range. Plus, ppl try to get away, now they're dry before they manage to get out of range.

And if you run out of grid, fit rcus. It's pvp. The extra neut is worth a low.

prop mod instead of painter, scope chip rig for more drone range, you don't need CCCs on that.

Use Gardes instead of Curators. You have the mid slots to fit tracking links.

EDIT: Nevermind, you were talking about PvE.

I'd rather fly something like this myself:
[Armageddon, L4]
Core X-Type Large Armor Repairer
True Sansha Armor EM Hardener
True Sansha Armor Thermic Hardener
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Republic Fleet 100MN Afterburner
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Small 'Atonement' Ward Projector
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I


Garde II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Salvage Drone I x5
Valkyrie II x5
Berserker II x5
Heavy Armor Maintenance Bot II x1

Sold anti-Sansha/Blood tank, good damage variability and projection, and the ability to restore damaged drones to full health, if they don't go into hull. The only real downside is that it doesn't have an eighth high slot, or the available CPU, for me to slap in a second remote shield rep.



The dominix's new bonus is what makes it great with gardes, not "good." It was "good" with them before, and the armageddon is "good" with them now. Also the second bonus on the armageddon works for vampires too which actually can be of some use in PvE. Of course if you're a build like the one I posted you're going to be so CPU-starved that a medium vampire is about all you'll be able to fit without a 5% CPU implant, and that only gets about 18.8km range.

Of course with 52km gardes and cruise missiles you're really looking at mid to long range combat (for missions and in terms of rat spawn distances at least) and most ships that don't spawn closer in than 30km should die before they hit 30km unless you over-aggro and get swamped. As such even if you did fit vampires to make use of the armageddon's second bonus it's no guarantee that you'd be able to really make use of them.

If you really want to use the vampire bonus though...
[Armageddon, Armored AC]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Dread Guristas Co-Processor
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II

Core X-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive
Gist A-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Gist A-Type EM Ward Field
Gist A-Type Thermic Dissipation Field

800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
Heavy Nosferatu II
Heavy Nosferatu II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Ogre II x5

Not something I'd consider flying myself unless I'm really bored of course, but it'd get the job done.

I don't really see any reason to fit sentry drones other than gardes outside of specialized long-range setups. Gardes can easily hit out to 52km with a zero range of 76km while my characters have "base" control ranges of 57km and 77km with one DLA. Gardes will chew through everything except Angels, and for them I'd rather deploy 5 berserkers once they get in close rather than try to hit them at 30km with bouncers given that bouncers have one third the tracking of gardes.

So.... 125m3 for gardes, 125m3 for berserkers, 25m3 for hobgoblins, 50m3 for valkyries, and that leaves 50-75m3 depending on the ship. Give me 5 salvage drones and the rest in logistics drones and it's all good.

Of course if you're referring to people posting fits like the last one I did it's generally because they don't want to bother with including a full drone bay. They use whatever the "preferred" drone type for that build is and leave it to the reader to insert any other drones they prefer.