EVE General Discussion

This is more of a discussion intended to plea my point of view and belief and see if others agree.

Margin Trading is a Skill which reduces the amount of Escrow required to be put up at the point of a Buy Order's Issuing. Thus allowing a player to place buy orders which exceeds his current wallet funds. Now this is a valid skill and Margin Trading is an actual economic thing which many players successfully play every day on the markets as they balance buying and selling so that their issued buy orders are filled upon their purchase.

However, this has opened up a method of conning players out of their isk known as 'Margin Scamming' where a player will issue a buy order that is grossly above the market average then emptying their wallets so that when ever some one tries to fill that buy order, the trade is cancelled simply because the player's wallet lacks the funds to fill the buy order. This scam is usually accompanied by using alts to provide the asked items, usually at an inflated price.

Now, i am not against scamming. Market and Player freedom are things which makes Eve great in my eyes. However, this 'scam' is using an exploit... That is exploiting the fact that a players wallet can never go into the Red. Because we can never accrue debt, orders that can not be filled are simply cancelled. Which means those that intentionally default on these buy orders are never charged, punished, or even put out by their actions.

I understand, however, that debt is something that would crush the standing Eve market because it would be a source of infinite isk as players would simply obtain billions upon billions in debt then throw that character away, never paying the accumulated debt back. So that is not a solution to this problem. Further more, Margin Trading is a valid method of market play allowing players to move mountains of assets and Isk liquidized in orders on the markets, so outright removing the ability is also not really an option.

However, i view this as an Issue which is required to be looked at as these players are Exploiting the Player Wallet in order to advance themselves above other at the expense of the inexperienced player.

Now before you go and say- 'You're whining because you got scammed' or something to that extent but probably in not so many words... I have never fell for Margin Scamming, And i am not one that thinks negatively about scamming because i believe that it is a valid way to play EvE as you're out-witting and out-playing others in the game. But it is just something that i have observe and have an adverse feeling towards because i believe that it is exploiting the game itself rather then praying upon and exploiting others, which is what EvE is all.

I would be intrested in hearing others feelings and thoughts on this matter.
so... what do you think?

You can scam people on the Eve Market???!!! I am soooo glad you told me about this!

Feel free to file an exploit petition and expose these wrongdoers to CCP. Please post the results here.

^^This

It does not matter what some random forum warriors think, it's up to CCP to determine if something is an exploit or not.

These things stick out like pink lighthouses on fire.

There is an argument in that.

utilizing this an exploit a player is capable of producing false or misleading information which can not be identified through any action other then trying to sell to that buy order.

There is no way to identify a factious buy order, and from the games perspective it is completely legit.

and there shouldn't be a consequence when you over reach the actual limitations of your wallet?

What exploit?

No, he can't. Unless the buy order goes through, it does not affect the price history or any of the mechanics that rely on that data. Since the whole point is that the order doesn't go through, it doesn't affect anything.

Sure there is: it's way overpriced and often set to match a recent contract spammed in local. Also, the sales history of the item makes this fake order stand out like a day-go thumb with bells on it.

If you actually intend to play the high-end module investment game, you need to gather your data. Failing to do so does not mean that the other party is exploiting.

Since no-one gets hurt from it, no. The consequence is that you don't get the goods and that someone else steals the buy even though it should go to you. And as mentioned, the whole point of the skill is to let you over-reach.

Hah, running to general discussion for help.

No they couldn't neg wallet people, because they did nothing wrong. Are you suggesting this rates the same as RMT?

Also it would be come a great way to make lots of ISK and break the game. Good move.