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HighSec Ore depletion

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Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-07-07 10:23:25 UTC
I have two accounts, and I mine on both of them. I pay for the game with plex, as I am unemployed and can't afford to pay with cash. I have to mine in order to do this, however the ore in high sec space is limited, 19-40k veldspar roids make it tedious to micro manage two accounts, and continue studying or reading a book.

I want to go afk, and mine, mining isn't something I do for enjoyment, its something I do to keep my eve accounts going, making it less enjoyable by reducing ore amounts in high sec doesn't entice me to purchase more plex, or keep an account going, especially when the game interferes with my studies.

Basically my ultimatum to CCP is increase ore amounts, or I quit.
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#2 - 2013-07-07 10:47:12 UTC
Hmm. Your comments are at best ill-informed and at worst troll-like but I shall reply briefly.

If you are unemployed you probably have some time to play EVE properly rather than try to afk it so I suggest maybe you try that. Ore amounts in high sec belts have not been reduced or nerfed and are unlikely to be reduced at least not in the short to medium term. I presume you are mining in 0.9 systems or something maybe where the other afkers all hang out. Move to slightly lower sec systems such as 0.6 or 0.5 and you will find veldspar rocks up to and over 100,000 units. Not that veldspar is the best rock to mine but whatever floats your boat.

Feel free to quit if you like. Smile

" They're gonna feel pretty stupid when they find out. " Rick. " Find out what ? " Abraham. " They're screwing with the wrong people. " Rick. Season four.   ' The Walking Dead. ' .

Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-07-07 10:58:18 UTC
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:
Hmm. Your comments are at best ill-informed and at worst troll-like but I shall reply briefly.

If you are unemployed you probably have some time to play EVE properly rather than try to afk it so I suggest maybe you try that. Ore amounts in high sec belts have not been reduced or nerfed and are unlikely to be reduced at least not in the short to medium term. I presume you are mining in 0.9 systems or something maybe where the other afkers all hang out. Move to slightly lower sec systems such as 0.6 or 0.5 and you will find veldspar rocks up to and over 100,000 units. Not that veldspar is the best rock to mine but whatever floats your boat.

Feel free to quit if you like. Smile


I don't have the time to play eve, I am unemployed due to my studies, and research. I don't intend on working for others so they can profit from my skills. My time is more valuable than the going rate. I play eve online not as some 3rd world job, but for enjoyment to ponder about the universe, unfortunately CCP has decided that nerfing mining was a good idea, and I have decided to cease caring about future CCP products. The mining nerfs are justification for non-renewal.
Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-07-07 11:01:01 UTC
Whatever you do, make sure you find out who the local ass-hattery barge suicide alts are and set them red. Also, don't AFK mine anywhere.
Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-07-07 11:33:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Knights Armament
Victoria Sin wrote:
Whatever you do, make sure you find out who the local ass-hattery barge suicide alts are and set them red. Also, don't AFK mine anywhere.


I am not concerned about the pvp aspect, I am more concerned with the annoyance of constantly having to watch a blue beam and switch asteroids every cycle because mining has been nerfed. It doesn't make mining more fun to change targets ever cycle.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-07-07 11:59:14 UTC
Knights Armament wrote:
I am not concerned about the pvp aspect, I am more concerned with the annoyance of constantly having to watch a blue beam and switch asteroids every cycle because mining has been nerfed.


Asteroid sizes have not been nerfed. The sizes of highsec asteroids and belts hasn't changed in who knows how long, certainly not recently.

If an asteroid has been mined to nothing then at next DT it respawns small. If it doesn't get mined at all, then it grows at DT the next day. Someone said it takes 3 days of not being mined for an asteroid to get back to max size. Hence if you're stripping the same belt every day, you will get small rocks, it's been like that for years.
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#7 - 2013-07-07 12:29:47 UTC
I was wondering if the OP has a mental problem or is taking too many recreational drugs. But I think he may be getting his words mixed up as he mentioned blue beams. Therefore I presume he is talking not about ore but the changes in Odyssey to remove ice fields and replace them with ice anomalies. He liked to afk ice mine apparently and a spanner has been dropped into his machine.

I'm not a fan of afking anything in New Eden so it's fine by me.

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Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#8 - 2013-07-07 13:38:58 UTC
If you are complaining about a video game, which you can't afford, not being fun for you while you are unemployed...sounds like you need to look at your priorities in life. Seriously, they are just pixels on a computer.

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Rengerel en Distel
#9 - 2013-07-07 14:18:35 UTC
OP: I play EVE for enjoyment, but I want to do it totally AFK. My time is too valuable to play it properly, as I'm unemployed and should be doing better things with my time anyways.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.

joffre lannister
ARAZ Engineering
#10 - 2013-07-07 14:28:06 UTC
You should probably set your priorities straight if you're unemployed and are home playing video games. Contribute to society so my tax dollars don't go to waste.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-07-07 14:49:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Derath Ellecon
Knights Armament wrote:
I have two accounts, and I mine on both of them. I pay for the game with plex, as I am unemployed and can't afford to pay with cash. I have to mine in order to do this, however the ore in high sec space is limited, 19-40k veldspar roids make it tedious to micro manage two accounts, and continue studying or reading a book.

I want to go afk, and mine, mining isn't something I do for enjoyment, its something I do to keep my eve accounts going, making it less enjoyable by reducing ore amounts in high sec doesn't entice me to purchase more plex, or keep an account going, especially when the game interferes with my studies.

Basically my ultimatum to CCP is increase ore amounts, or I quit.



1. As others have said, ORE amounts have not changed in HS in years. Increasing them would make no difference as there would be more ore to mine, dropping the price as there are already tons of miners.

2. Find a better way to make isk. Mining is IMO horrible afk isk. I've tried but at the rate the asteroids pop it's hard to call AFk. I have found I make far better isk AFK hauling freight. Yes it takes a bit to get into (training for a freighter and the buying one). But i easily plex my hauler alt every month and pretty much its just pick up contract, set autopilot, check back in an hour or two.

3. If you have a little time to actually PLAY, there are non-afk ways to enjoy eve and make tons of isk.

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Quite frankly I'm surprised that someone who is studying and researching to be a mr brainy brainy university grad can only come up with mining as an EVE isk making activity. Not terribly inventive.
Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-07-07 15:34:00 UTC
joffre lannister wrote:
You should probably set your priorities straight if you're unemployed and are home playing video games. Contribute to society so my tax dollars don't go to waste.


First of all money is just debt, and each day we spend in debt all of our taxes are being wasted, we're in so much debt that it would take our nations entire gdp for 100 years to pay it back, money paper currency is literally worthless.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#13 - 2013-07-07 18:18:10 UTC
Knights Armament wrote:
joffre lannister wrote:
You should probably set your priorities straight if you're unemployed and are home playing video games. Contribute to society so my tax dollars don't go to waste.


First of all money is just debt, and each day we spend in debt all of our taxes are being wasted, we're in so much debt that it would take our nations entire gdp for 100 years to pay it back, money paper currency is literally worthless.



If you're talking about the US national debt, it's around 115% of the GDP. around 16 Trillion. Around 50k per head of population.

Private debt is around the 24 trillion mark. (according to one source).

So 100 years of the GDP is a little bit of an exaggeration.



Aside from that, in response to your ultimatum: Bye! Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

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Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#14 - 2013-07-07 20:27:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Ireland VonVicious
You don't buy plex with cash.

You want ccp to make it easier for you to play for free.

Your buying of plex for isk to sub the accounts makes plex cost more for the rest of us.

Many of employed players only have one account but you want to have 2 at no cost.

You pay nothing to ccp so you are not what they would consider a valued customer.

Your fix it or I quit is a big joke. Stupid or trolling seems to be the only case.

I try not to come off to mean most of the time but this is some seriously ***** for the purpose of bitching thread.

Just delete your account and realize that no skill is undervalued compared to any other, Your skill is worth what other people will pay and not a cent more.

You could make a case for the entire work force is under valued due to money making too much money devaluing labor as a whole. (( But that is best case ))

You want to play afk on top of all this. Roll
Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#15 - 2013-07-07 20:34:32 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:

Private debt is around the 24 trillion mark. (according to one source).

So 100 years of the GDP is a little bit of an exaggeration.


Also, a lot of that 24 trillion is secured debt, i.e. property, corporate bonds and so on. There's an asset there once the debt is repaid.
joffre lannister
ARAZ Engineering
#16 - 2013-07-07 21:17:57 UTC
In before political posts & ultimate user banning for spreading left/right wing ideas.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-07-07 22:03:59 UTC
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
You don't buy plex with cash.

You want ccp to make it easier for you to play for free.

Your buying of plex for isk to sub the accounts makes plex cost more for the rest of us.

Many of employed players only have one account but you want to have 2 at no cost.

You pay nothing to ccp so you are not what they would consider a valued customer.

Your fix it or I quit is a big joke. Stupid or trolling seems to be the only case.

I try not to come off to mean most of the time but this is some seriously ***** for the purpose of bitching thread.

Just delete your account and realize that no skill is undervalued compared to any other, Your skill is worth what other people will pay and not a cent more.

You could make a case for the entire work force is under valued due to money making too much money devaluing labor as a whole. (( But that is best case ))

You want to play afk on top of all this. Roll


There is so much fail in this post.

1. His 2 accounts of plex will not change the cost. The large part of plex cost is all the uber rich hoarding them anyhow.
2. CCP LOVE's people who pay with plex. They provide the market for people who buy plex with real money. PLEX is the HIGHEST price a person can pay for a monthly sub in terms of real life money. So CCP makes MORE money off PLEX'd accounts than people who pay normally.
Saleani Tsolyani
Bey Su
#18 - 2013-07-08 00:06:59 UTC
Under the presumption that you like mining, why not do mining missions? At level 4, you're picking up 2k-4k LP and 2-4M isk per mission. Every 16 gets you a storyline mission, and I've gotten a lot of Shipyard Theft for storyline missions (you have a chance at a mindlink implant and they sell for 100M to over 1B for the mining one). You can then get your corp standing to where you can put up towers in high sec. Perhaps you'd also like to go into business selling corporations with standings to place towers. 2 sample threads from page 1 of the sell orders forum are 1, 2. I don't know how large this business is, but that looks like it could bring in half a plex per month per character.

Under the presumption that you want to mine and do only mining, there are a lot of systems out in the ass end of space where no one goes. Or there are too many belts for plagues of locusts to deplete. My previous corp used to hang out in Yarebap and Finid. Those 2 systems have 50 asteroid belts between them. There were lots of Russians during the day, but even peak East European time had less people in local than there were belts in system. Other parts of space that were pretty empty last year (things may have changed) include Ivih and Semosh out in Tash-Murkon: far from the markets and one of the systems lacks stations.

My experience is that systems with no stations tend to have much larger asteroid belts than systems with stations. Every time I pass through Keberz, it is full of ore sites and I'm the only one in local. Highsec, adjacent to null, has no stations.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#19 - 2013-07-08 01:17:00 UTC
Knights Armament wrote:
I have two accounts, and I mine on both of them. I pay for the game with plex, as I am unemployed and can't afford to pay with cash. I have to mine in order to do this, however the ore in high sec space is limited, 19-40k veldspar roids make it tedious to micro manage two accounts, and continue studying or reading a book.

I want to go afk, and mine, mining isn't something I do for enjoyment, its something I do to keep my eve accounts going, making it less enjoyable by reducing ore amounts in high sec doesn't entice me to purchase more plex, or keep an account going, especially when the game interferes with my studies.

Basically my ultimatum to CCP is increase ore amounts, or I quit.


There is no point to you as a player in a multiplayer game. CCP could replace you with a script that secretly spawned 2 plexes worth of minerals, sold them and bought 2 plexes from the market.

ie your opinion and threat are both irrelevant.



Felicity Love
Doomheim
#20 - 2013-07-08 04:57:22 UTC
Which systems do you mine AFK in again ?Pirate

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