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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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Dominique Vasilkovsky
#901 - 2011-11-08 22:59:09 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Stupid question I expect. Am I right in thinking that WoD never made it to beta? Was there ever some version of WoD that showed the Carbon engine supporting multi-player play at all?

Well they did make a trailer with no in game footage and I guess they used WoD art assets for the Nvidia APEX demo.
Soulpirate
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#902 - 2011-11-09 00:38:10 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
I've repeatedly stated what I'd really like to see CCP announce is they are going dump the WoD engine and start a next generation WiS attempt with the engine they are building Dust on.

They should probably wait and see just how badly Dust fails before doing that.

I almost feel bad for you.

Living every day so consumed with negativity must really suck.

What sucks even more is how that attitude effects the general mood of the forums.
Jita Alt666
#903 - 2011-11-09 00:45:33 UTC
Soulpirate wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
I've repeatedly stated what I'd really like to see CCP announce is they are going dump the WoD engine and start a next generation WiS attempt with the engine they are building Dust on.

They should probably wait and see just how badly Dust fails before doing that.

I almost feel bad for you.

Living every day so consumed with negativity must really suck.

What sucks even more is how that attitude effects the general mood of the forums.


You are letting him get you down?
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#904 - 2011-11-09 00:49:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Che Biko
Ladie Harlot wrote:
[..]The "Likes" are meaningless if there is no "Don't Like" button. [..]

Well, I can see why you would reason like that in this situation, because last time I checked, the likes in favour of WiS far outnumber the likes in favour of No-WiS in this thread. Just look at the first three posts to get an estimate.
Richard Aiel wrote:
so.... in your warped interpretation, the reason they killed WiS RIGHT after killing WoD is ...what?
cooincidence? lol what you smokin over there?

I read somewhere that CCP were doing too many things at once, and thus reassigned developers to focus on FiS. I'm pretty sure this is not my own warped interpretation. In fact, I think your interpretation is more warped. Of course, if you can show any reliable source indicating the contrary, I might agree with your view.
I'm not sure if I'm allowed to write what I'm smokin'.Cool
Rocco Battaglia wrote:
[..]So its only delayed till next winter at the most[..]

Can you point me to a recent reliable source that mentions this?
Alpheias wrote:
[..]I think it is you that are reading too much into a trailer of a possible future for a sci-fi MMO. What is obvious is that it hasn't really sunk in for you yet but my very subjective opinion of pewpew is shared by many, and by those at CCP[..]Don't hate me because you lack imagination.

Why do you think I'm reading to much into it? What exactly do you think I'm reading into it? I'm not sure you get my reason for linking that video, so I'll mention it: you asked for examples of "gameplay, interaction, and PVP".

Oh, it has sunk in long ago that a lot of people share your opinion. Do you realize that a lot of people do not? I really doubt that CCP as a whole agrees with you.

And I won't hate you, especially for reasons that do not exist.
Hwong Jian wrote:
[..]I remember when WoD first came out[..]

Probably being trolled but....are you talking about the WoD MMO? It came out? Tell me where I can playtest that, please!P
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#905 - 2011-11-09 00:52:14 UTC
Soulpirate wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
I've repeatedly stated what I'd really like to see CCP announce is they are going dump the WoD engine and start a next generation WiS attempt with the engine they are building Dust on.

They should probably wait and see just how badly Dust fails before doing that.

I almost feel bad for you.

Living every day so consumed with negativity must really suck.

What sucks even more is how that attitude effects the general mood of the forums.

Aww cheer up little kid. Everything's gonna be all right.

(Dust is still going to be a failure, though. Sorry if you were looking forward to it.)

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Taiwanistan
#906 - 2011-11-09 02:19:04 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Stupid question I expect. Am I right in thinking that WoD never made it to beta? Was there ever some version of WoD that showed the Carbon engine supporting multi-player play at all?

I wasn't following WoD and did a quick search (found a really funny post from the producer of WoD that claimed Incarna was so late because of all the FiS work CCP was doing!!!!) and can't see that WoD ever got to beta.

Anyone on this thread that knows how far WoD got?

Issler


i can't remember exactly but during one fanfest stream videos had some nvidia dudes saying something along the lines of
"the next generation of video cards powerful enough to run wod multiplayer wont be commercially available for about X years"

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."

Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#907 - 2011-11-09 02:23:46 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Soulpirate wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
I've repeatedly stated what I'd really like to see CCP announce is they are going dump the WoD engine and start a next generation WiS attempt with the engine they are building Dust on.

They should probably wait and see just how badly Dust fails before doing that.

I almost feel bad for you.

Living every day so consumed with negativity must really suck.

What sucks even more is how that attitude effects the general mood of the forums.

Aww cheer up little kid. Everything's gonna be all right.

(Dust is still going to be a failure, though. Sorry if you were looking forward to it.)


We'll see about that.

It can't be much worse than Planetside, and that was a Bad Game in the Eve sense of the word.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us

Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#908 - 2011-11-09 02:25:26 UTC
Krios Ahzek wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:

Aww cheer up little kid. Everything's gonna be all right.

(Dust is still going to be a failure, though. Sorry if you were looking forward to it.)


We'll see about that.

It can't be much worse than Planetside, and that was a Bad Game in the Eve sense of the word.

Too bad CCP doesn't have a whole stable of bad games to rely on for money like SOE does.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Taiwanistan
#909 - 2011-11-09 03:15:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Taiwanistan
Lilliana Stelles wrote:


It's about immersion. Think about what you're saying, it's equivalent to "We already have forums, so why do we have in game chat?" The point I'm trying to express is the need for more forms of in game socialization and communication between parties. You do make a valid point though. It isn't necessary for gameplay by any means. But it increases a feeling of community and attachment to the game and other players.

I hate to even make this comparison because it was a horrible, boring game, but do you realize why WoW was so popular? I'll tell you it wasn't gameplay. Sure, they have casual gameplay that draws a large audience, but that casual gameplay also sucked. Eve's gameplay is much more intense, much more involved, and much more fun, at least in my opinion. The reason WoW had such a large audience is because of the social system that's in place. The gameplay was mostly in dungeons, but players were required to engage in interaction with random strangers in order to accomplish said goals. The ability to walk up to someone and randomly start a conversation that
1. Doesn't have an associated mail charge
2. Can be joined in by any passing player who shows interest
goes a long way. There's no proximity-based chat in Eve, whatsoever. It's either 1-on-1 chat, form a chatroom, or broadcast idiotically to all of local. Seeing more convenient ways of socialization will only be beneficial.

Necessary or not, it conveys benefits to everyone.

Here's another point: (Unless you're cloaked up in space), everyone, at some point, inevitably ends up ship spinning or facespinning when they're docked up and outnumbered, waiting on a group for a complex, waiting on a cyno, waiting on an industry job... Actually, Eve is alot of waiting no matter how you look at it. At the very least, the developers can give players something to do while they're waiting around in stations.

Why do you think Eve Poker, Somer.Blink, Eve Radio chat, etc, are all so popular? It gives players something engaging to do while on Eve. The thing is, the game could be directly benefiting from that just as much as third-party sites do.

And to whoever suggested Eve Fest to me, I've seriously been considering it. But should players really have to pay ~$800+ to talk to each other?


seems all you want is chat chat chat go try http://www.imvu.com/
mail charge? people don't want to be spammed, stop spamming people
proximity chat? there is constellation chat, and it is just filled with people who love and use proximity chat.
waiting? can't you you there buddy, i wait in all games and IRL i can't escape it

it is rather unfortunate that the OP's thread has become a horn of gondor when sounded all kinds of stupid come running

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#910 - 2011-11-09 04:06:04 UTC
So one aspect of the sadness that is the failure to deliver WiS so far is for about 5 years one part of my job was to be one of the primary technical interfaces between a very large Redmond, WA software company and nVidia. I found nVidia to be full of some very smart folks, but also some very agressive evangilists. Constantly pushing companies to consider agressive plans and of course create stuff that requires the latest and greatest gear from the small "n" company.

I think they are definitely part of what caused CCP to bet on technology that couldn't scale or be successful commercially on the majority of PCs today.

Just felt like sharing that.

Issler
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#911 - 2011-11-09 09:28:55 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Stahlregen wrote:
Ladie Harlot have I ever mentioned how true to life your avatar is? Because it's quite uncanny.

It literally took me four hours to get the avatar just right.


What a odd waste of time for a person that hates "space barbies". If your avatar doesn't matter why didn't you just make a random character and get out into those spaceships that Eve is only about?

Your strange creepy face mocks your own argument everytime you post that avatars don't matter to you.

Issler

Forum avatars are serious business. Playing dressup in the microtransaction superstore isn't.

4 hrs on your avatar?

Lol

Maybe you'd better change your screen resolution and spend another 4 hrs on it to get it right.

Anyway, we all know you really meant to say:

Quote:
Forum trolling is serious business. Playing dressup in the Character Creation isn't.
Mekela
Vinyl Roid
#912 - 2011-11-09 09:32:02 UTC
I have noticed alot of the "I hate WiS" people are goons. Normally I would chalk that up to the fact that they love to troll, but I started to realize it was something more.

Goons stated objective is to ruin the game for everyone. So they hate WiS because they want to ruin the game for everyone.
bornaa
GRiD.
#913 - 2011-11-09 10:27:02 UTC
Mekela wrote:
I have noticed alot of the "I hate WiS" people are goons. Normally I would chalk that up to the fact that they love to troll, but I started to realize it was something more.

Goons stated objective is to ruin the game for everyone. So they hate WiS because they want to ruin the game for everyone.



Shocked I like you... Smile
[Yes, I'm an Amateur](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRa-69uBmIw&feature=relmfu)
Taiwanistan
#914 - 2011-11-09 11:25:07 UTC
Mekela wrote:
I have noticed alot of the "I hate WiS" people are goons. Normally I would chalk that up to the fact that they love to troll, but I started to realize it was something more.

Goons stated objective is to ruin the game for everyone. So they hate WiS because they want to ruin the game for everyone.


no just you people

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#915 - 2011-11-10 06:29:58 UTC
So we ever going to get a clarification from CCP about the real future of WiS?

Issler
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#916 - 2011-11-10 07:31:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Kengutsi Akira
Dominique Vasilkovsky wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Stupid question I expect. Am I right in thinking that WoD never made it to beta? Was there ever some version of WoD that showed the Carbon engine supporting multi-player play at all?

Well they did make a trailer with no in game footage and I guess they used WoD art assets for the Nvidia APEX demo.


Yeah they made it to beta, it was called Incarna

Issler Dainze wrote:
So we ever going to get a clarification from CCP about the real future of WiS?

Issler


yes, the same thing that started this thread.
the words "back burner" come to mind

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes

Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#917 - 2011-11-10 07:33:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Ladie Harlot
Issler Dainze wrote:
So we ever going to get a clarification from CCP about the real future of WiS?

Issler


  • In your options turn on "load station environment"
  • dock in the station of your choosing
  • Walk in the station


What more do you want?

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Grukni
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#918 - 2011-11-10 08:41:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Grukni
Issler Dainze wrote:
So one aspect of the sadness that is the failure to deliver WiS so far is for about 5 years one part of my job was to be one of the primary technical interfaces between a very large Redmond, WA software company and nVidia. I found nVidia to be full of some very smart folks, but also some very agressive evangilists. Constantly pushing companies to consider agressive plans and of course create stuff that requires the latest and greatest gear from the small "n" company.

I think they are definitely part of what caused CCP to bet on technology that couldn't scale or be successful commercially on the majority of PCs today.

Just felt like sharing that.

Issler


Yo have a point. I remember the WiS demo CCP showed us in the fanfest some years ago, and it had nothing to do with what Incarna is today. While it was still single player only, they had a nice engine (licensed?) and lots of art assets. They even had exotic dancers and minigames. Incomprehensibly, they scrapped it all and started developing the supa dupa avatar engine we have today. Since they demoed it in Siggraph hand in hand with nvidia, I believe they had something to do with that an pushed CCP to the limits of today's available technology.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#919 - 2011-11-10 08:54:40 UTC
How did 12 people create a 46 page thread?
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#920 - 2011-11-10 10:00:09 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
How did 12 people create a 46 page thread?

By never stopping posting

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.