Jita Park Speakers Corner

Sorry to see you go Slaven, but I completely understand your situation.

The war dec system is certainly borked and needs work. Perhaps, since criminals can now bribe their way into CONCORDs good graces, a Corporation/Alliance can bribe CONCORD to invalidate the wardec (ie: fighting will cease after 24 hours notification once the bribe is accepted).

Is it me... or is CONCORD looking more and more corrupt now a days?

I have a certain amount of sympathy for you, but you seem to be upset about not being able to pound a square peg into a round hole.

As you point out, there is a place for people to play and avoid wardecs such as you describe, NPC corps. You can even just drop to NPC corp to ride out the wardec and return later.

Player run corps are for people that are willing to assume more risks.

Now I grant you the wardec mechanics could use some work, and that's been the topic of quite a few discussions.

Also on the square-peg round-hole side of things, do you realize you posted to CSM section of the forums and addressed CCP? What is CSM supposed to do with that? I am sure on some level they can take your feedback and try to use it to inform their feedback to CCP, but it would have been much better to actually address the CSM if posting here.

Obligatory: Your stuff can I haz?

Those players want to cheat and/or bother you. And they have the right to do that (read the EULA). Thus, its not really CCPs problem, but yours.

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I appreciate your candidness and it is my problem and it is my money. Anyway, you missed my point - Ill spell it out for you - I support the FREEDOM to play the game that is most fun for me. I support your FREEDOM to play the game that is most fun for you as long as you do not infringe upon another players right to have fun. If CCP wants to cater to you alone that is fine, but I would suspect their rebranding effort will be short lived. This game has survived because of loyal customers like myself and I will take some credit for some of the success this game has had through the years.

Mr. CSM (Malcanis)... I said CCP has done some stupid stuff in the past in my opinion - and I have always hated the war dec mechanics in this game because they are always changing it. Carebares cry a little... pvp cries a little... good grief like a bunch of 13 year old school girls having a pillow fight. Wars should be expensive and painful (aggressors should have a lot of skin in the game) - you know consistent with the other attributes of this game - then again maybe you don't..

Look, I know the trolls are going to come at me on this. I am just one player who pays $120 in subscription fees every 3 month and I would think that CCP in the end, keeps tabs on their subscription how many have left and how many are new. The question is can they hold the volume of subscribers necessary to keep their investment going with out selling their soul- my guess is no.

I appreciate your candidness and it is my problem and it is my money. Anyway, you missed my point - Ill spell it out for you - I support the FREEDOM to play the game that is most fun for me. I support your FREEDOM to play the game that is most fun for you as long as you do not infringe upon another players right to have fun. If CCP wants to cater to you alone that is fine, but I would suspect their rebranding effort will be short lived. This game has survived because of loyal customers like myself and I will take some credit for some of the success this game has had through the years.

Mr. CSM (Malcanis)... I said CCP has done some stupid stuff in the past in my opinion - and I have always hated the war dec mechanics in this game because they are always changing it. Carebares cry a little... pvp cries a little... good grief like a bunch of 13 year old school girls having a pillow fight. Wars should be expensive and painful (aggressors should have a lot of skin in the game) - you know consistent with the other attributes of this game - then again maybe you don't..

Look, I know the trolls are going to come at me on this. I am just one player who pays $120 in subscription fees every 3 month and I would think that CCP in the end, keeps tabs on their subscription how many have left and how many are new. The question is can they hold the volume of subscribers necessary to keep their investment going with out selling their soul- my guess is no.



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rebranding? really? EVE has been made safer if anything, definetly not "catering only to those who want to ruin others play". and no, obviosuly EVE has not survived because of loyal customers like YOU, it has survived because of loyal customers like the other 10,000 vets who, despite mechanics (which were changed for the most part to give MORE safety), kept logging in and living with this "unfair" mechanic, and continuing to prosper despite it.

and you say war should be "expensive and painful", well it can be, fact is though, ALL wars, ingame or in real life, are between a country of significant power, and an opponent they deem to have LESSER power, you dont decalre war for a challenge, you declare war to take/deny resources to the opponent. if you are incapable of defending yourself, the merc-option was introduced for a reason.

fact is, in war, the only person who HAS to lose money is the aggresor, to pay for the declaration, if you dotn want to pay for defence from another, or to figth with yoyur own ships, then stay docked up and live with your choice of cowardice, adn take solace in the fact that you just outted them a couple mil.

(i gues what im trying to say is, no matter what mechanic you change, forcing wars to "have significant investment" involved will ALWAYS be bad, because it will always be balanced into either defenders win 90% of the time because lol-mechanics, or aggressors win 90% of the time because lol-mechanics, curently our wardec system is as good as it will get without a massice change to more game-systems than just the war mechanics alone)

I appreciate everyone's feedback but this is the last thing I have to say before I retire. The managers, marketers, and developers of this game have mortgages, homes and families to support. Unfortunately for them, they can't PLEX their way out of real life. This game runs on "Real" money; not isk and if your attitude to drive the people who pay to play this game for fun away, the "real" money will stop and this protest will mean nothing. Everyone knows the CSMs are a joke except them. Everyone knows the many toons plex their play time and nobody seems to know that this server, the server we play on, the CCP staff we pay, depend on real money and not isk to survive.

But to each their own, to each the choices they make. I wish for the best for the community and I hope this game stays around for another 10 years.

Slav

I beg your pardon but that's the opposite of the truth.

Oh wait, you mean that CCP won't impose consequences for you?

Well that's still not true.

In that case, I think that you were playing the wrong game anyway man. You do understand that what you are trying to say is "its ok to limit the freedom of other players for me to play the game how I like".



CCP prefers players plexing their accounts instead of running a subscription. They are making more money through this. PLEX are added to the game only via a player paying for them.

I don't think he has a problem with Wardecs, I think he has a problem with how it's implemented. He thinks it needs to be fixed.

I cannot help but think this is a attempt of disgusing a whiny complaint from some pubbie. In my mind, it would the credibility enormously if Slaven hadn't biomassed (as he cannot be found ingame) and if his corp & alliance tag wasn't something else on eve-search. imagelink if eve-search updates.

Yes of course it is. You can't seriously be advocating that CCP design the game around psychotics, surely?