EVE General Discussion

Shouldn't the timer be reduced because scanning was buffed then?

My argument? I asked you a question based on you saying " its been working for so long".

Not my fault you cant answer a ******* question without hostility.

Node ReMapping is Similar to Freighter Ganking Once its underway there's nothing you can do about it :)

So they haven't actually said that wardecs are in any way “the best way” to PvP someone in highsec.

Ok. We'll reduce it to 14 minutes 58 seconds instead. Happy? Or, hell, let's just round it off to 15 minutes to make it easy to remember.

Re-fixed that. What would prove you right is has nothing to do with his ability to provide anything, but with yours, and you haven't been able to prove yourself right so far.

So prove it.

No. He's merely asking you to prove your assertion, which you haven't been able to do. You are the one trying to dodge said methodology. He's merely taking the null hypothesis and it's up to you to falsify it. So do so.

You're also not very good at providing sources for your claims… that's a much bigger problem because it means, good teacher or not, what you teach is incorrect by default.

…and it shows that as we've been telling you all along: that, no, a single occurrence is not harassment. So no, even if you fail to get the gank in order, it's not harassment.

If you come back and do it the next day or at some other later point, then it might start to mount up, but a single occurrence is still a single occurrence — you have not been “ actively following [a target] around […] to continue bumping a specific player”. All you're doing is trying to gank him, which (to everyone's great surprise) is something that is not guaranteed to succeed.

Nope. Stop inventing things I never said.

No he isn't. What makes you say that? The freighter can actively defend himself using any of the myriad of tactics and techniques described in this thread and every thread like it.

"but we been doing that for a decade now" is a pisspoor standard when you are trying to advocate being on the cutting edge of highsec mechanics sir.

"And, once again, even if it did, why should they be given special exemptions from the timers? Timers, I remind you, that were put into place to remove the kind of tactics that the special exemption is meant to provide." -post #724 ("explain to me how a freighter can aggress someone like ANY other ship in the game" was the excerpt you quoted off me for the response).

"The abuse that was rampant before Crimewatch 2.0, where freighters would warp around carelessly, and if they spotted something gank-like on approach to a station or gate, or when entering a system, they'd kill the client… and relog and kill the client… and [repeat as needed] to ensure that the attackers could never lock the freighter down because it would disappear too soon.

"The new PvP flag (mostly) fixed this: if you end up in a fight, logging off only ever leaves you dead in the water. This is intentional and is meant to make people stay logged in because at least then they can try to do something about it…" -post #739("To coin your phrase... "what abuse?"." was the excerpt you quoted from me for the response).

"So why should they have special leave to ignore mechanics that were specifically in place to put an end to a kind of abuse that freighters were often using?" -post #657 ("Point 1- Yes, freighters ARE special. The do not have all the functionality other ships do in regards to having an aggression timer applied to them." was the excerpt you quoted from me).

"No, that's not what the timer is for. The PvP timer is specifically there to make sure that logging off to avoid combat is not a viable tactic for any kind of ship (including freighters, since they were common offenders of abusing the older timer mechanics). There's a completely different timer that dictates those kinds of things and the freighter is already exempt from ever triggering it." -post #622 ("It should only affect a ship that cannot dock due to acts of aggression." was the excerpt you quoted from me).

So uhm.. no. I am not making anything up. You said that. Numerous times.

Don't ever bother trying to insinuate otherwise. You will lose. You know this by now since this isn;t the first time.

Stop wasting my time.

Since it's your standard, it's your business.

How you want to come off to anyone else is ultimately up to you I suppose.

Becareful of your accusations however, because I do not mention sub numbers. I am quite confident in my knowledge that the marketing team and the development team have different priorities.

You WILL however, get people to not want to fly those same hulls you hunt if you show how easily manipulated those timers can be when a freighter has no innate ability to protect itself.

That has nothing to do with subscriptions.

Yes you are. At no point did I say that freighters abusing it was the basis for the mechanic. Everyone that could abused it, and it had to go — freighters were just one of many common examples.

If you tried actually reading the quotes you provided rather than just hope that they said what you imagined, you'd notice that I'm consistently saying the same thing: abusing the old timer mechanics to let you log off and save your ship was rampant; freighters abused this tactic too; there is no reason to give this particular abuse back to freighters.

I don't have to insinuate anything since the simple fact is that you just made it up. Instead, I think I'll insinuate that you need to go see an optometrist…

…wait, it's not much of an insinuation if I say it outright like that, is it?

…ok, and where did I say that the timers were fixed because of freighters, specifically?