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Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#21 - 2013-07-05 21:26:39 UTC
sXyphos wrote:
What's not to like about 40k... Big smile

40k licensing.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#22 - 2013-07-05 21:30:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Ciyrine wrote:


I like the decaying, religious zealotry, and genetic cloning aka all white guys theme of the books. A world thats nothing but despair, pain and terror. Other than the cover art being white faces the stories mention whether characters are black asian or caucasian?

What was the 40k universe like before paul?


Before Paul the figures looked good and the game was playable, and the system was a system, meanign you could set it whenever and with whatever you wanted, not the 2000AD rip-off they set it in.

" A world thats nothing but despair, pain and terror" you obviously understand its universe enough to see what I have against it

"Other than the cover art being white faces the stories mention whether characters are black asian or caucasian? " Given the amount of art work produced, isnt it odd how they arent anything but?


But yeah no I see your point, harmless to give your kids stuff which states "That which is different must be exterminated"


EDIT: Oh and I forgot to say, there are black guys, they just all have to live on the one planet

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Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-07-05 21:43:17 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Ciyrine wrote:


I like the decaying, religious zealotry, and genetic cloning aka all white guys theme of the books. A world thats nothing but despair, pain and terror. Other than the cover art being white faces the stories mention whether characters are black asian or caucasian?

What was the 40k universe like before paul?


1) Before Paul the figures looked good and the game was playable, and the system was a system, meanign you could set it whenever and with whatever you wanted, not the 2000AD rip-off they set it in.

2) " A world thats nothing but despair, pain and terror" you obviously understand its universe enough to see what I have against it

3)"Other than the cover art being white faces the stories mention whether characters are black asian or caucasian? " Given the amount of art work produced, isnt it odd how they arent anything but?


4) But yeah no I see your point, harmless to give your kids stuff which states "That which is different must be exterminated"


5) EDIT: Oh and I forgot to say, there are black guys, they just all have to live on the one planet



1) Id have to check what the figures looked like pre 1992. But imo fantasy and 40k figure quality has been improving consistently

2) i can understand if u dont like death pain terror in a story. But that doesnt qualify as childish, quite the contrary. My son prefers happy books. The people who ive seen read 40k are adults.

3) walking through the fantasy/scifi section at barnes and nobles all the cover art is white faces. So conclusion is all sci fi artists are racists or colored people have better things to do than draw art for scifi hence artists painting from their white perspective? What are we dealing with here? I doubt its that 40k novel writers are racists. Now weve dealt with the childish and racist commnt

4) if the books were teaching anything it would be to throw the spotlight on some of the worst exagerated aspects of society. If my son read 40k and decided he wanted to mimic that universe then ive screwed up long before i handed him the book.

5) dont know anything about this and probably wouldnt change anything. The 40k universe is supposed to be a wretched place. If they had a plent where they beat black babies for sport wouldnt change anything
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#24 - 2013-07-05 23:27:02 UTC
Ciyrine wrote:
I Love Boobies wrote:
Had to Google what WH40K was. Oops


Uve earned ur "im not a geek" badge. Ur probably an NFL star AND engineer/lawyer dating a supermodel like the rest of us that is just momentarily playing the spreadsheet some people call eve

The fact u knew to tell us u 'had to google it' because that makes u a cool geek shows u knew what it was



I beg to differ! I am not an NFL star or an Engineer/Lawyer! I am in fact an NBA star, and a rocket scientist on the side. And no, not dating a supermodel, but I am married to one. Honest. And seriously, I did have to Google it. Cool
Azrael Dinn
Imperial Mechanics
#25 - 2013-07-06 06:08:55 UTC
CCP can I please please have an Imperial Battleship Twisted

After centuries of debating and justifying... Break Cloaks tm
Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#26 - 2013-07-06 07:02:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Kult Altol
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Ciyrine wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
sXyphos wrote:
What's not to like about 40k, moar 40k influence pls Big smile

All of it, its been childish space-garbage for racists since 1992

Whats special about 1992? And is that racist in the slave owning way. Or racist the way i hear older white guys pretending to be cool use racist to mean stupid?

1992 was when it finally fell under Paul Sawyer's "creative" control and it was ruined
Before then it was ok
And I mean racist in the way that it has almost no non-white human characters in it (who are almost all male I might add) and it promotes concepts such as genetic purity and segregation for all races and cultures


Are you trolling? If not,

A game designed in Great Britain....hmmmm, perhaps it's just not racist, but just the majority race is WHITE. SUPER WHITE, like burn in the moon light WHITE.

Also, if you play the game, you can paint your models what ever you want.


EDIT: I've been playing warhhamer40k and reading the Blacklibrary books since I've been 16, about 11 years. And nothing about the game is racist. All sorts of people play warhammer40k, religious people, secular people, every color and creed. Warhammer40k is a fun game with a lot of fluff, and the only way to see the "racism" in its is a few reasons.

1)troll
2)Liberal arts major college student
3)Butthurt you can't play cause its expensive
4)you suck at painting

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Mac Tir
State War Academy
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-07-06 12:12:28 UTC
[quote=Kult Altol
3)Butthurt you can't play cause its expensive
[/quote]

I think your post was fine but I don't understand this point. There seems to be a small minority of people who leap to the defence of GW's hideous pricing policy. Why is this? All this says to me is that GW is a company who treat their playerbase with contempt, and the people who defend this are so affluent that they can literally afford to insult people who have gradually been priced out of the hobby.

You can be wealthy in real life, but that doesn't mean you should defend the practices of a company that is widely derided for selling plastic for outrageous sums of money.
Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-07-06 14:07:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Ciyrine
Quote:


I think your post was fine but I don't understand this point. There seems to be a small minority of people who leap to the defence of GW's hideous pricing policy. Why is this? All this says to me is that GW is a company who treat their playerbase with contempt, and the people who defend this are so affluent that they can literally afford to insult people who have gradually been priced out of the hobby.

You can be wealthy in real life, but that doesn't mean you should defend the practices of a company that is widely derided for selling plastic for outrageous sums of money.


GW pricing policy is basically them trying to survive. Fewer and fewer people play the game thanks to competition and videogames. That means their charging the few people who continue to play(I dont play/buy) more money so they can continue to produce the models and distribute them, pay their staff.

Do you seriously believe their goal is to price customers out? What would happen if they cut their prices in half, would there be an influx of players...no. but they would have gone bankrupt years ago if they didnt raise prices. they been bleeding customers like any board game for years. Most of the player base is aging, people who got into it before videogames took over. Who wants to spend 45 minutess driving somewhere to meet another player face to face, 45 minutes setting up, 30 minutes arguing about what the rules say you can/cant do(as opposed to videogames that have all the parameters set), 45 minutes packing up, 45 minutes driving home. When you can turn the pc on and play Rome total war which is basically same thing but even better.

For comparison look how much other miniature, game making companies charge for their models(more). GW actually has lower prices on account of larger player base splitting the cost of operations.

I only very very briefly played wh40k(i was into fantasy) but i love the 40k background
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2013-07-06 15:54:27 UTC
Even more so than EVE and star wars, WH40k is not *science* fiction, its future fantasy in space.
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2013-07-06 16:05:42 UTC
WH40k is probably the only universe I would prefer more than Eve.


Those guys who insist on Blood Ravens, they haven't played Space Wolves yet.

Sugar Von MurdererTits : Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2013-07-06 19:18:53 UTC
Ciyrine wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Ciyrine wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
sXyphos wrote:
What's not to like about 40k, moar 40k influence pls Big smile



All of it, its been childish space-garbage for racists since 1992



Whats special about 1992? And is that racist in the slave owning way. Or racist the way i hear older white guys pretending to be cool use racist to mean stupid?



1992 was when it finally fell under Paul Sawyer's "creative" control and it was ruined


Before then it was ok




And I mean racist in the way that it has almost no non-white human characters in it (who are almost all male I might add) and it promotes concepts such as genetic purity and segregation for all races and cultures


I like the decaying, religious zealotry, and genetic cloning aka all white guys theme of the books. A world thats nothing but despair, pain and terror. Other than the cover art being white faces do the stories mention whether characters are black asian or caucasian?

What was the 40k universe like before paul?

All space mariens are of european ancestry mroe or less, ebcause they all carry the genetic code of the emperor with them.

the average citizen is described as pretty much whatever.
Mac Tir
State War Academy
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-07-06 20:05:07 UTC
Ciyrine wrote:
Quote:


I think your post was fine but I don't understand this point. There seems to be a small minority of people who leap to the defence of GW's hideous pricing policy. Why is this? All this says to me is that GW is a company who treat their playerbase with contempt, and the people who defend this are so affluent that they can literally afford to insult people who have gradually been priced out of the hobby.

You can be wealthy in real life, but that doesn't mean you should defend the practices of a company that is widely derided for selling plastic for outrageous sums of money.


GW pricing policy is basically them trying to survive. Fewer and fewer people play the game thanks to competition and videogames. That means their charging the few people who continue to play(I dont play/buy) more money so they can continue to produce the models and distribute them, pay their staff.

Do you seriously believe their goal is to price customers out? What would happen if they cut their prices in half, would there be an influx of players...no. but they would have gone bankrupt years ago if they didnt raise prices. they been bleeding customers like any board game for years. Most of the player base is aging, people who got into it before videogames took over. Who wants to spend 45 minutess driving somewhere to meet another player face to face, 45 minutes setting up, 30 minutes arguing about what the rules say you can/cant do(as opposed to videogames that have all the parameters set), 45 minutes packing up, 45 minutes driving home. When you can turn the pc on and play Rome total war which is basically same thing but even better.

For comparison look how much other miniature, game making companies charge for their models(more). GW actually has lower prices on account of larger player base splitting the cost of operations.

I only very very briefly played wh40k(i was into fantasy) but i love the 40k background


I see what your saying, but they still operate in a odd fashion. Don't you fin it weird that there's never been a sale in their stores?

People seem to have very short memories when it comes to GW. I know it's a labour of love, and that shelling out for a 2000pt army could be seen as an investment for a few years to come, but that doesn't explain why the comapany repeatedly kicks its customers in the balls.

I know that they've got competition from consoles and whatnot, but how can they hope to attract new customers with these eye-watering prices? They're a rip off, simple as that, and it will kill them.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#33 - 2013-07-06 21:44:47 UTC
Damn now I feel like playing Battlefleet Gothic.
Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-07-06 21:51:03 UTC
Jake Warbird wrote:
WH40k is probably the only universe I would prefer more than Eve.


Those guys who insist on Blood Ravens, they haven't played Space Wolves yet.

Space Wolves are the worst chapter. Prove me wrong.
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#35 - 2013-07-06 22:14:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Eram Fidard
Confirming EVE needs chaos mutations, tyranids(bugs), space orks, Eldar(space elves) and space dwarves. Then it would be a REAL game, right?

Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.
Toshiroma McDiesel
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2013-07-06 23:10:21 UTC
Eram Fidard wrote:
Confirming EVE needs chaos mutations, tyranids(bugs), space orks, Eldar(space elves) and space dwarves. Then it would be a REAL game, right?



Plus the ultimate WIS Goal : Players playing Blood Bowl!

I"m not really the Evil One, I'm just his answering service.
Mac Tir
State War Academy
Caldari State
#37 - 2013-07-07 13:37:36 UTC
Eram Fidard wrote:
Confirming EVE needs chaos mutations, tyranids(bugs), space orks, Eldar(space elves) and space dwarves. Then it would be a REAL game, right?


No one talks about Space Dwarves anymore, but everything else is highly accurate!

I think Eve is fine as it is:)
Throktar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#38 - 2013-07-07 17:04:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Throktar
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Ciyrine wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
sXyphos wrote:
What's not to like about 40k, moar 40k influence pls Big smile



All of it, its been childish space-garbage for racists since 1992



Whats special about 1992? And is that racist in the slave owning way. Or racist the way i hear older white guys pretending to be cool use racist to mean stupid?



1992 was when it finally fell under Paul Sawyer's "creative" control and it was ruined


Before then it was ok




And I mean racist in the way that it has almost no non-white human characters in it (who are almost all male I might add) and it promotes concepts such as genetic purity and segregation for all races and cultures



Have you read any of the books in the Warhammer series? Obviously not, because so many of the books are based on many cultures from Earth . The Emperor himself is described as more dark skinned and middle eastern in complexion. Also, his son Vulkan was black, The Khan was asian, and I believe Horus was similar in complexion to the Emperor.

I have read almost every 40k book out there, and trust me, humanity is more diverse in the future than it is even now.
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