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Collective front launched against the New Order, James315 and miner bumping.

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Amyclas Lacedaemon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1061 - 2013-07-05 09:41:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Amyclas Lacedaemon
Zero Sum Gain wrote:

Why is what a woman wants more important than what her rapist wants? He is doing what he wants and nothing stopped him.

Don't get me wrong, I'm fine with suicide tactics and all that, I just don't agree with your point. The consent is not there and it hinders what the other wants.


FIrst of all, comparing real-life sexual assault with non-consensual in-game violence is completely inappropriate. Some of us accept cyber for Mining Permits, but it is all in good taste between consenting adults. In most other cases, a simple isk payment and a pledge of support for the New Order in your bio will do.

Secondly, you are under the delusion that you can do what you want. The truth is, you are interacting with a wider market and base of players who are affected by your actions and can affect you in return. Consent is irrelevant when you flood the market with cheap minerals. Honest non-bot-aspirant miners may not like your over-mining, but you don't need their consent to undermine their markets. Likewise, you may be traumatized or distressed when your mining ship blows up and your corpse becomes a trophy in a New Order hanger, but there is really no need for us to be concerned about your wishes when we undermine non-permit holders.

The Code will be enforced. 10 million isk can buy you a mining indulgence and give you peace of mind knowing that you are on the winning side. Invest in your future, buy a permit for your own sake, buy a permit for a better high-sec.
Mazlow Shartain
Thin Red Line Industries
#1062 - 2013-07-05 11:59:37 UTC
Amyclas Lacedaemon wrote:
Zero Sum Gain wrote:

Why is what a woman wants more important than what her rapist wants? He is doing what he wants and nothing stopped him.

Don't get me wrong, I'm fine with suicide tactics and all that, I just don't agree with your point. The consent is not there and it hinders what the other wants.


FIrst of all, comparing real-life sexual assault with non-consensual in-game violence is completely inappropriate. Some of us accept cyber for Mining Permits, but it is all in good taste between consenting adults. In most other cases, a simple isk payment and a pledge of support for the New Order in your bio will do.

Secondly, you are under the delusion that you can do what you want. The truth is, you are interacting with a wider market and base of players who are affected by your actions and can affect you in return. Consent is irrelevant when you flood the market with cheap minerals. Honest non-bot-aspirant miners may not like your over-mining, but you don't need their consent to undermine their markets. Likewise, you may be traumatized or distressed when your mining ship blows up and your corpse becomes a trophy in a New Order hanger, but there is really no need for us to be concerned about your wishes when we undermine non-permit holders.

The Code will be enforced. 10 million isk can buy you a mining indulgence and give you peace of mind knowing that you are on the winning side. Invest in your future, buy a permit for your own sake, buy a permit for a better high-sec.


Couldn't have said it better.
Kimo Khan
Rage Against All Reds
GunFam
#1063 - 2013-07-05 13:33:40 UTC
Zero Sum Gain wrote:

Don't get me wrong, I'm fine with suicide tactics and all that, I just don't agree with your point. The consent is not there and it hinders what the other wants.


From the EULA:
You may encounter and converse with people who are rude, offensive, belligerent, and who may use indecent, obscene, and/or threatening or harassing language while playing the Game or otherwise interacting within EVE. You may report any instances of such behavior to CCP. CCP will investigate and take such measures as CCP, in its sole judgment, determines are reasonable under the circumstances. CCP does not guarantee that you will not encounter behavior of others that you may view as insulting, demeaning, offensive, threatening or harassing. You assume all risk associated with playing the Game, and CCP assumes no responsibility for the conduct of any other players, and shall not be liable to you or any other person for their conduct.

Now I am not new order but by accepting the EULA you consented to people who will not be kind playing a game against you in way you may not agree. The game is highly PVP orientated. There are several groups I do not like and do not like their styles, but by the EULA I have consented to the fact they can do what they want as long as it does not violate the EULA.
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#1064 - 2013-07-05 14:37:39 UTC
Amyclas Lacedaemon wrote:


The Code will be enforced. 10 million isk can buy you a mining indulgence and give you peace of mind knowing that you are on the winning side. Invest in your future, buy a permit for your own sake, buy a permit for a better high-sec.


I believe CODE extortion can be shut down. How many miners would be willing to pay 10mil isk per month for *real* protection and reimbusement? By that I mean permanently war-decking CODE and other such entities and organizing a "reimbursement" scheme for those who get ganked?

If I can find enough high-sec miners interested in investing in their own protection (ie. an insurance arrangement) as opposed to paying for what is essentially "protection racketeering" then I may be willing to organize something to shut CODE's doors.

If this idea appeals to you then "like" this post so I can get a feeling for how much interest there is.
Mori Arty
Doomheim
#1065 - 2013-07-05 14:44:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Mori Arty
Tinu Moorhsum wrote:
Amyclas Lacedaemon wrote:


The Code will be enforced. 10 million isk can buy you a mining indulgence and give you peace of mind knowing that you are on the winning side. Invest in your future, buy a permit for your own sake, buy a permit for a better high-sec.


I believe CODE extortion can be shut down. How many miners would be willing to pay 10mil isk per month for *real* protection and reimbusement? By that I mean permanently war-decking CODE and other such entities and organizing a "reimbursement" scheme for those who get ganked?

If I can find enough high-sec miners interested in investing in their own protection (ie. an insurance arrangement) as opposed to paying for what is essentially "protection racketeering" then I may be willing to organize something to shut CODE's doors.

If this idea appeals to you then "like" this post so I can get a feeling for how much interest there is.


You proceed from a inefficient line of thought. It is easier and cheaper to gank the gankers and bumpers than it is to reimburse mining barges and exhumers.

Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander

This ain't New Order, this is Old School

Sir Mack Inawrex
NEW ORDER DEATH DEALERS
#1066 - 2013-07-05 14:58:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Sir Mack Inawrex
Zero Sum Gain wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
LeHerp Aggin wrote:
It's about time someone has stood up to these clowns. They've tried to extort me several times, but to no avail. Noone should interfere with how i want to play Eve in High Sec.



Take this scenario in mind. HE as a player can say the exact same setnece. Nothign can prevent him from playign as he wants in high sec. So..WHy woudl something prevent him to bump you.. since what he wants is ruin your mining?

WHy you dare to think you are more important?



Why is what a woman wants more important than what her rapist wants? He is doing what he wants and nothing stopped him.

Don't get me wrong, I'm fine with suicide tactics and all that, I just don't agree with your point. The consent is not there and it hinders what the other wants.

As Amyclas already said, this is an inappropriate and vulgar comparison.

That said, it's also inacurrate as at no point does a victim consent to sexual activity. However, whenever you log in to the game and undock you DO give consent to PVP. You may not want to be blown up, no one does, but you've consented to the fact that people will shoot at you.

"…but now only one beacon of light survives.  A stubborn world that dared to defy Mintchip, Lord of the Lollipops."

Sir Mack Inawrex
NEW ORDER DEATH DEALERS
#1067 - 2013-07-05 14:59:16 UTC
Double post, sorry.

"…but now only one beacon of light survives.  A stubborn world that dared to defy Mintchip, Lord of the Lollipops."

Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
#1068 - 2013-07-05 15:42:06 UTC
Tinu Moorhsum wrote:


I believe CODE extortion can be shut down. How many miners would be willing to pay 10mil isk per month for *real* protection and reimbusement? By that I mean permanently war-decking CODE and other such entities and organizing a "reimbursement" scheme for those who get ganked?

If I can find enough high-sec miners interested in investing in their own protection (ie. an insurance arrangement) as opposed to paying for what is essentially "protection racketeering" then I may be willing to organize something to shut CODE's doors.

If this idea appeals to you then "like" this post so I can get a feeling for how much interest there is.


Did you happen to read the first 53 pages of this thread before posting your idea? This thread is a monument to the inability of anyone to successfully accomplish, well, anything anti-NO, in the entire year long existence of the New Order of Highsec.

To quote the philosopher, Spongbob SP, "Good luck with that."

Highsec is worth fighting for.

Bing Bangboom
Agent of the New Order of Highsec
Belligerent Undesirable

Highsec is worth fighting for.

By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.  www.minerbumping.com

Amyclas Lacedaemon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1069 - 2013-07-05 16:04:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Amyclas Lacedaemon
Tinu Moorhsum wrote:
Amyclas Lacedaemon wrote:


The Code will be enforced. 10 million isk can buy you a mining indulgence and give you peace of mind knowing that you are on the winning side. Invest in your future, buy a permit for your own sake, buy a permit for a better high-sec.


I believe CODE extortion can be shut down. How many miners would be willing to pay 10mil isk per month for *real* protection and reimbusement? By that I mean permanently war-decking CODE and other such entities and organizing a "reimbursement" scheme for those who get ganked?

If I can find enough high-sec miners interested in investing in their own protection (ie. an insurance arrangement) as opposed to paying for what is essentially "protection racketeering" then I may be willing to organize something to shut CODE's doors.

If this idea appeals to you then "like" this post so I can get a feeling for how much interest there is.


What Bing said.

Anyway, you're quite welcome to try, but I don't see how anyone can make our jobs any more dangerous and difficult than it already is.

Also, the mercenary community will gladly take your isk to dec us. Please pay them well, and I'm sure they will do their jobs as professionally as possible.
Cani Scanit
Perkone
Caldari State
#1070 - 2013-07-05 17:32:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Cani Scanit
What I find ironic about all of this is that this actually benefits miners (who have a permit), yet it's the miners who complain the loudest. Honestly, you should be thanking the Order for making your chosen profession more profitable. Charging a small fee for this service seems completely appropriate to me.
Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
#1071 - 2013-07-05 19:42:04 UTC
Since someone has been so kind as to get out the pressure washer and restore this thread to its rightful place at the top of C&P I thought it might be interesting to old and new postee's alike to see the current status for the New Order as compiled in the CODE. killboard and at www.minerbumping.com.

In 2013, to date, the New Order has destroyed 6243 ships and pods (1093 in June 2013 alone) for a total destruction bill of 779 POINT 74 billion ISK. CODE. (the Knights of the New Order) alone now has 102 members. There are a large number of Agents and unaffiliated Knights in addition to this. Total numbers are of course a closely guarded secret. Meaning we don't know.

Many Knights now fit Tech II weapons and are capable of solo ganking in .5 through .7 systems. Additionally, 56 Orcas have been removed from illegal mining operations as overall fire power has increased.

Over 750 individual mining permits have been sold while shareholders have donated in excess of 93 billion ISK for the purchase of ganking ships and fittings. Purchasing of shares has accelerated in recent months and show's no sign of slowing down. All organized resistance has ceased.

Finally, of course, CCP, undoubtably influenced by New Order actions, changed ice mining to reduce (but not eliminate) the bot (and bot aspirant) mining that used to define Highsec ice fields. James 315, through the New Order of Highsec, changed the shape of the universe.

Take THAT, New Order doubters!

Highsec is worth fighting for.

Bing Bangboom
Agent of the New Order of Highsec
Belligerent Undesirable

Highsec is worth fighting for.

By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.  www.minerbumping.com

Tinker Vuld
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1072 - 2013-07-05 21:50:50 UTC
Can we get a "HAIL" up in here?!

www.minerbumping.com - study it, live it, breathe it, for The Code shall set you free.

Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#1073 - 2013-07-06 12:19:04 UTC
Tinker Vuld wrote:
Can we get a "HAIL" up in here?!


Well, hail yes.

Lol

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.

Jane Orlenar
Doomheim
#1074 - 2013-07-06 13:32:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Jane Orlenar
I rly doubt anyone can do anything against the new order and i dont rly care about them.
im just a noob in EVE and havent yet loss a ship coz of the order but i have no doubt l`ll sooner or latter. however i have loss few macks over last 2 months and l`ll keep doing the same till the time to move in to 0.0 come > jita > new mack > back to the ice :D

as u all know cockroachs are extremly hard to kill and i belive everything that apply to them will fit good for the order as well


Cockroaches are one of the most commonly noted household pest insects.They feed on human and pet food, and can leave an offensive odor. General preventive measures against household pests include keeping all food stored away in sealed containers, using garbage cans with tight lids, frequent cleaning in the kitchen, and regular vacuuming. Any water leaks, such as dripping taps, should also be repaired. It is also helpful to seal off any entry points, such as holes around baseboards, between kitchen cabinets, pipes, doors, and windows with some steel wool or copper mesh and some cement, putty or silicone caulk.

with 2 words only way to hurt them should be to start hunting any miner who have pay the extortion fee

however this kinda of anti new order movement will hurt alot of casual players wich is not something that will be good for eve in general.

so just let them be if is fun for them and they pay subscribe every month wich help the game development its all OK in my book.
Sir Mack Inawrex
NEW ORDER DEATH DEALERS
#1075 - 2013-07-06 13:44:54 UTC
Poast with you're mane.

"…but now only one beacon of light survives.  A stubborn world that dared to defy Mintchip, Lord of the Lollipops."

Jane Orlenar
Doomheim
#1076 - 2013-07-06 13:52:10 UTC
idd how low of me to post with alt!!! when im speaking against buch of pirate alts that have nothing better to do with they time but to kill ppl who cnt defend them self.

im rich enough to buy as many macks i need to but this dont mean i want to waste any more isk then i need to =)
Sir Mack Inawrex
NEW ORDER DEATH DEALERS
#1077 - 2013-07-06 14:07:36 UTC
Jane Orlenar wrote:
idd how low of me to post with alt!!!

Yes. Forum alts are a plague. Like cockroaches, they're very difficult to destroy.

Quote:
when im speaking against buch of pirate alts that have nothing better to do with they time but to kill ppl who cnt defend them self.

They can't defend themselves? Is there some restricted version of EvE where you can only fly miners, can't talk to other players and aren't allowed to fit tank modules?

Well, hopefully we can help them get into the full version of the game, eh?

"…but now only one beacon of light survives.  A stubborn world that dared to defy Mintchip, Lord of the Lollipops."

Alexander McKeon
Perkone
Caldari State
#1078 - 2013-07-06 19:58:05 UTC
You know what I would really, really like? For that entire alliance of griefers to descend upon my corp's system and try to gank our mining operations. Could be fun. :D
Tinker Vuld
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1079 - 2013-07-06 23:14:21 UTC
Jane Orlenar wrote:
i dont rly care about them.


Rambling here and starting a forum thread on minerbumping.com shows just how little you care.

Also if you are going to cut and paste content you really should reference the source, credit where it's due and all that.

www.minerbumping.com - study it, live it, breathe it, for The Code shall set you free.

Jane Orlenar
Doomheim
#1080 - 2013-07-06 23:53:02 UTC
Tinker Vuld wrote:
Jane Orlenar wrote:
i dont rly care about them.


Rambling here and starting a forum thread on minerbumping.com shows just how little you care.



Alright u have a point.
Sorry i pick the wrong words to express my self when im saying "i dont care" i mean i dont care if someone mange to put down ur organization or u live on for many more years. After all u cnt rly hurt me or make any real dmg to me.

other then this i do Care enough to post simeple coz u crated too good entertiment for me and had the desire to share it.
I had rly great laugh all day reading about the Order story and Jamez 314 stuff till im mining in afk mod. I do belive u bring alot of color to the game for all new players and i even kinda like u.

Ofc u have negative impact too but im sure u already know it at least most of u that are simple roreplaying and are not rly delusional that they are doing soemthing good and positive.

Like i say before keep it up if its fun for u, if nothing else at least u create entertainment for many other players :D