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Doomheim
#21 - 2013-07-06 11:44:07 UTC
Ammo cost shouldn't be a relevant factor when deciding what you want to fly for missions. Drones are too much hassle now, and losing just one T2 Hobgobin is probably equivalent to a rack of weapons full of T2 ammo.

It has also been proven that using faction ammo is actually worth the extra ISK, as in it will earn you more than the ISK you spend on it over t1 ammo.
cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#22 - 2013-07-06 11:44:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyndrogen
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Noddy Comet wrote:
*Makes "Solo guide of how to make ISK"*

*Yells out in caps "DO NOT SALVAGE!!!"*

Stopped reading right there considering I made my first Billion on a "solo" character by salvaging/looting all my own wrecks and was able to build all my own ammo with the items I reprocessed and was in lvl 4 missions as soon as I had the skills trained to fly a battleship without having to buy a ton of faction-fit loot pinata stuffing.


Something I learned from being in a null corp: salvage, salvage, salvage.

What you don't waste = what you don't need to buy (or have shipped and possibly lose).



this is a SOLO guide but yes salvage in null is nice. Also cherry pick the expensive gear, leave the rest.

Every day in every way I improve my skills and get better.
cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#23 - 2013-07-06 11:51:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyndrogen
Noddy Comet wrote:
*Makes "Solo guide of how to make ISK"*

*Yells out in caps "DO NOT SALVAGE!!!"*

Stopped reading right there considering I made my first Billion on a "solo" character by salvaging/looting all my own wrecks and was able to build all my own ammo with the items I reprocessed and was in lvl 4 missions as soon as I had the skills trained to fly a battleship without having to buy a ton of faction-fit loot pinata stuffing.



You also had to train additional skills to build the ammo taking time away from your missile and shield skills.
By slavaging level 1 and 2 and 3 missions you slowed down your LP progress and access to better faction ammo at a discount.

Also if you were manufacturing with low skills in industry you were paying a higher tax then if you had actually bought the gear off market which would have been cheaper and faster to obtain if you factor in the effort needed to make it yourself.

Yes you can make billions BOTH ways but my way is the quickest.

Every day in every way I improve my skills and get better.
Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#24 - 2013-07-06 11:52:01 UTC
So your telling n00bs not to take that forty million just sitting in that L3 Boss wreck? I dont think you quite know what you are on about..You mentioned the scorp, without saying how useless the normal version is for L4s. Dafuq..
cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#25 - 2013-07-06 11:54:16 UTC
Icarus Able wrote:
So your telling n00bs not to take that forty million just sitting in that L3 Boss wreck? I dont think you quite know what you are on about..You mentioned the scorp, without saying how useless the normal version is for L4s. Dafuq..


What mission drops 40 million loot in a boss wreck? Please enlighten us.

Scorp is a great ship if you use the mid slots for tank. It can out tank a raven any day.

Every day in every way I improve my skills and get better.
cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#26 - 2013-07-06 11:58:09 UTC
Sarmatiko wrote:
Quote:
caracal (HM) / drake(HM) / scorpion(cruise) / raven(cruise)

LOLWUT? OP trying to create new darwins in this game?

Also what others have already said: Dominix is currently king of mission running in terms of cost/effectiveness. 800 eft dps from Garde II on 85-99km optimal is not a joke.


I'm not familiar with Domi, but thanks for the tip!!! Please feel free to add fitting suggestion as well since my guide is biased toward Caldari.

Every day in every way I improve my skills and get better.
cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#27 - 2013-07-06 12:10:23 UTC
Just to clarify,

my adice to new players not to salvage is BEFORE level 4 missions. The loot and gear is cheap crap and not worth picking up. If you happen to be close to a wreck while running the mission and killing other stuff, fine go ahead and loot it, but don't spend time looting or salvaging after you have killed the last rat or completed your mission objective.

Once you are running level 4 missions, the loot and salvage is a great way to gain additional isk.

Ideally you will one day fly in a golem and salvage while you kill stuff, but this will not happen overnight and you will need to invest in a BS ship before you ever set foot in a marauder.

Every day in every way I improve my skills and get better.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2013-07-06 12:14:35 UTC
cyndrogen wrote:
Noddy Comet wrote:
*Makes "Solo guide of how to make ISK"*

*Yells out in caps "DO NOT SALVAGE!!!"*

Stopped reading right there considering I made my first Billion on a "solo" character by salvaging/looting all my own wrecks and was able to build all my own ammo with the items I reprocessed and was in lvl 4 missions as soon as I had the skills trained to fly a battleship without having to buy a ton of faction-fit loot pinata stuffing.



You also had to train additional skills to build the ammo taking time away from your missile and shield skills.
By slavaging level 1 and 2 and 3 missions you slowed down your LP progress and access to better faction ammo at a discount.

Also if you were manufacturing with low skills in industry you were paying a higher tax then if you had actually bought the gear off market which would have been cheaper and faster to obtain if you factor in the effort needed to make it yourself.

Yes you can make billions BOTH ways but my way is the quickest.


But at the same time leaving some choice salvage to goto waste.

Some of that salvage is well worth just salvaging and saving until you can built it yourself, since what I seen with large modules and their price tag (you know for battleships?) it can cost over 100 million itself. Tax is eliminated as soon as he gets 6.67 standing anyway. Only time when production gets to be too expensive is when mass producing (or making ships) when skills are needed. Three modules at a time, you're wasting very little even training production efficiency to 4, but save a mint.

The time needed to train in a ship to survive level 4 missions, means time a player can salvage enough to build his gear so he won't be broke when he finally gets his battleship.

A solo guide has to reflect that it's a player without a sugar daddy to support him (with skill books; ships; modules; weapons and ammo -- and faction ammo needs ammo to even buy).

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#29 - 2013-07-06 12:15:57 UTC
cyndrogen wrote:

Do not train for salvage, or other activites that will slow down your progress and cost you ISK. Invest in a clear path that is PVP oriented and you will have no trouble making ISK.




What a fantastic idea !!!

I would not have gotten the 50M ISK in loot last night from my mission. How utterly stupid of me! Roll

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#30 - 2013-07-06 12:16:34 UTC
cyndrogen wrote:
Just to clarify,

my adice to new players not to salvage is BEFORE level 4 missions. The loot and gear is cheap crap and not worth picking up. If you happen to be close to a wreck while running the mission and killing other stuff, fine go ahead and loot it, but don't spend time looting or salvaging after you have killed the last rat or completed your mission objective.

Once you are running level 4 missions, the loot and salvage is a great way to gain additional isk.

Ideally you will one day fly in a golem and salvage while you kill stuff, but this will not happen overnight and you will need to invest in a BS ship before you ever set foot in a marauder.



Another mis-informed and possible troll.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#31 - 2013-07-06 12:21:47 UTC
cyndrogen wrote:

Ideally you will one day fly in a golem and salvage while you kill stuff, but this will not happen overnight and you will need to invest in a BS ship before you ever set foot in a marauder.



Just come back in with a Noctis for clean-up after the fact.

Looting with both Salvagers and Salvage Drones...............takes maybe 4 minutes per pocket.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#32 - 2013-07-06 12:21:48 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
cyndrogen wrote:
Just to clarify,

my adice to new players not to salvage is BEFORE level 4 missions. The loot and gear is cheap crap and not worth picking up. If you happen to be close to a wreck while running the mission and killing other stuff, fine go ahead and loot it, but don't spend time looting or salvaging after you have killed the last rat or completed your mission objective.

Once you are running level 4 missions, the loot and salvage is a great way to gain additional isk.

Ideally you will one day fly in a golem and salvage while you kill stuff, but this will not happen overnight and you will need to invest in a BS ship before you ever set foot in a marauder.



Another mis-informed and possible troll.


can you elaborate? Details matter.

Every day in every way I improve my skills and get better.
cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#33 - 2013-07-06 12:23:21 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
cyndrogen wrote:

Ideally you will one day fly in a golem and salvage while you kill stuff, but this will not happen overnight and you will need to invest in a BS ship before you ever set foot in a marauder.



Just come back in with a Noctis for clean-up after the fact.

Looting with both Salvagers and Salvage Drones...............takes maybe 4 minutes per pocket.

I have run level 4's in under 4 minutes. Whats your point?

Every day in every way I improve my skills and get better.
Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#34 - 2013-07-06 12:24:54 UTC
cyndrogen wrote:
Icarus Able wrote:
So your telling n00bs not to take that forty million just sitting in that L3 Boss wreck? I dont think you quite know what you are on about..You mentioned the scorp, without saying how useless the normal version is for L4s. Dafuq..


What mission drops 40 million loot in a boss wreck? Please enlighten us.

Scorp is a great ship if you use the mid slots for tank. It can out tank a raven any day.



Im sorry i cant remember the specific mission but there is one.
cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#35 - 2013-07-06 12:30:15 UTC
Icarus Able wrote:
cyndrogen wrote:
Icarus Able wrote:
So your telling n00bs not to take that forty million just sitting in that L3 Boss wreck? I dont think you quite know what you are on about..You mentioned the scorp, without saying how useless the normal version is for L4s. Dafuq..


What mission drops 40 million loot in a boss wreck? Please enlighten us.

Scorp is a great ship if you use the mid slots for tank. It can out tank a raven any day.



Im sorry i cant remember the specific mission but there is one.


Do me a favor and please make a note of that mission. I have found some rare items myself running level 1 missions with agents that give you loot which is highly valuable in contracts, and i sold one item for around 20 million. The mission is a chain of 3 and it's the 3 out of 3 that has the item. Ofcourse I have to fail the mission and not deliver the item, but worth it!!!!

Every day in every way I improve my skills and get better.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#36 - 2013-07-06 12:30:58 UTC
cyndrogen wrote:
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I have run level 4's in under 4 minutes. Whats your point?


You have not.

And I'm talking about Salvaging.

And yes, you Troll. Bye bye now.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2013-07-06 12:33:42 UTC
cyndrogen wrote:
Icarus Able wrote:
cyndrogen wrote:
Icarus Able wrote:
So your telling n00bs not to take that forty million just sitting in that L3 Boss wreck? I dont think you quite know what you are on about..You mentioned the scorp, without saying how useless the normal version is for L4s. Dafuq..


What mission drops 40 million loot in a boss wreck? Please enlighten us.

Scorp is a great ship if you use the mid slots for tank. It can out tank a raven any day.



Im sorry i cant remember the specific mission but there is one.


Do me a favor and please make a note of that mission. I have found some rare items myself running level 1 missions with agents that give you loot which is highly valuable in contracts, and i sold one item for around 20 million. The mission is a chain of 3 and it's the 3 out of 3 that has the item. Ofcourse I have to fail the mission and not deliver the item, but worth it!!!!


You're also forgetting mining in missions.

When each load of even veldspar = 3.7 million ISK, and you have m-a-n-y loads.

A level 2 mission I was on had over 6,000,000 veldspar alone. The missions with even better ore, you're pulling in over 40mil.

So if you're just want to get faction standing up quick, yeah blitz. But for making ISK, there's plenty of ways even in missions to walk way with over 40 million ISK, and they're not level 4s.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#38 - 2013-07-06 12:33:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyndrogen
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
cyndrogen wrote:
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I have run level 4's in under 4 minutes. Whats your point?


You have not.

And I'm talking about Salvaging.

And yes, you Troll. Bye bye now.


oh but I have several times. There are LV4 missions that require very little time to complete, The Anomaly 2 of 3, the quafe mission, etc etc....

and thanks for being helpful by name calling, very mature.

Every day in every way I improve my skills and get better.
cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#39 - 2013-07-06 12:37:15 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
cyndrogen wrote:
Icarus Able wrote:
cyndrogen wrote:
Icarus Able wrote:
So your telling n00bs not to take that forty million just sitting in that L3 Boss wreck? I dont think you quite know what you are on about..You mentioned the scorp, without saying how useless the normal version is for L4s. Dafuq..


What mission drops 40 million loot in a boss wreck? Please enlighten us.

Scorp is a great ship if you use the mid slots for tank. It can out tank a raven any day.



Im sorry i cant remember the specific mission but there is one.


Do me a favor and please make a note of that mission. I have found some rare items myself running level 1 missions with agents that give you loot which is highly valuable in contracts, and i sold one item for around 20 million. The mission is a chain of 3 and it's the 3 out of 3 that has the item. Ofcourse I have to fail the mission and not deliver the item, but worth it!!!!


You're also forgetting mining in missions.

When each load of even veldspar = 3.7 million ISK, and you have m-a-n-y loads.

A level 2 mission I was on had over 6,000,000 veldspar alone. The missions with even better ore, you're pulling in over 40mil.

So if you're just want to get faction standing up quick, yeah blitz. But for making ISK, there's plenty of ways even in missions to walk way with over 40 million ISK, and they're not level 4s.


no mining can outperform Dread Pirate Scarlet, this mission is an ISK machine!

but shoot rocks if it makes you happy, not because it makes ISK.

Every day in every way I improve my skills and get better.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2013-07-06 12:37:36 UTC
cyndrogen wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
cyndrogen wrote:
[
I have run level 4's in under 4 minutes. Whats your point?


You have not.

And I'm talking about Salvaging.

And yes, you Troll. Bye bye now.


oh but I have several times. There are missions that require very little time to complete, The Anomaly 2 of 3, the quafe mission, etc etc....

and thanks for being helpful by name calling, very mature.


It's a solo guide about making ISK, not blitzing missions for standings.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell