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Relying on drones as primary damage.

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Coraline Sparks
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-07-05 14:46:40 UTC
Hello. I've tried out both lasers and drones, but haven't invested heavily into the two areas yet. I'd say I'm a little more than half-way, seeing as how I've got Cruisers 4, Drone Interfacing 3, and can almost use tech II medium lasers.

However, I'm a little curious as to what would be giving me more damage in the future. Assuming I go all the way into drones, would they give me a higher damage output when compared to lasers? I'm having a hard time making this call, because although I can select my damage type with drones, lasers just feel as though they would end up doing more damage in the end anyways.

Plus using drones seems kinda risky, especially for mission-running, since a lot of the times they end up getting shot at.

So does anyone have a few tips on whether I should invest into drone usage or go with lasers instead? Or any other tips on relying on drones as the main source of damage?
Paul Panala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-07-05 14:50:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Panala
Really depends on your long-term plans. Drones are important for almost every ship, some more so than others. Being able to fly T2 drones is a must (at some point at least), doing so only takes about a month of training, including decent drone support skills.

As far as primary damage, drones boats are less common in PvP. Blasters and AutoCannons seem to be the preference. Lasers have their place, but require a lot of cap skills on top of the gunnery skills. In PvE you can make just about any weapon work well.

I think your best bet is to pick a ship you would like to fly (do some research on it, don't just go for what looks cool) and then focus on its bonuses. You should use the weapon system that your ship gets a bonus for.
Paul Panala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-07-05 15:05:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Panala
Replying again after seeing you are an Amarr pilot. Amarr's primary weapon system is lasers, drones are 2nd. Assuming you want to stick with Amarr ships, then train lasers first, then drones. You will want to get both to a competent level (4 for most skills) then you should be able to see for yourself what you want to improve on.

Drones are kind of a risk, because they do get shot down, but if you are flying a drone boat then you will have drones in reserve.
Ilkahn
Ideal Mechanisms
#4 - 2013-07-05 15:06:49 UTC
If you are flying Gallente Hulls like the Vexor, Myrmidon, and Dominix you should make drones your primary focus to a degree. Keep in mind that no matter what, drones will be a force multiplier. T2 guns are a necessary for market reasons as those meta 4 tech 1 guns get freaking expensive.

There are things you can do to protect your drones on a drone boat like fitting a remote armor / shield repper. Fit your PVE ship to snipe from a distance using SEBOs and Omni Trackers with Sentry Drones. You can also use small drones which are harder to hit and move faster.

The recent updates to the rats have made it much harder to simply collect aggro, drop drones, and sit back watching a movie as death and carnage pillages the NPC villians around you.

As a hardened Gallente Pilot, my advice is get your T2 medium drones immediately due to the reasons that no matter what racial you fly you will have increased hitting power of all damage types. Then get your T2 med and small guns. When it comes to battleships, if you are flying a Domi, the T2 Sentries are a must.
Coraline Sparks
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-07-05 15:11:54 UTC
I'm Amarr and plan to only fly Amarr ships, so really I guess it just boils down to what I want to fly, which I'm still not sure of because I don't know what would be better for missions.

I've already tried both lasers and drones in missions. Lasers are good, but what I don't like about them is that some targets take forever to die, and plus the range on them isn't all that great considering I'm getting shot at all the time from targets I have to get close to. With drones I have a ridiculous range but it's not always I can safely send them in without them getting blown up, which is kind of a problem since T2 drones aren't cheap for me. :/

I guess what I'm really asking in the end though, is what ends up doing more damage, and/or what would be better for mission running, between the following ships:

Harbinger vs. Prophecy
Apocalypse vs. Armageddon
Zealot vs. Curse

If it turns out drones will let me run missions faster, I'll be using them. But if lasers are worth it at the end of the day, I think I'd rather use them.
Max Godsnottlingson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-07-05 16:14:57 UTC
Coraline Sparks wrote:
I'm Amarr and plan to only fly Amarr ships, so really I guess it just boils down to what I want to fly, which I'm still not sure of because I don't know what would be better for missions.

I've already tried both lasers and drones in missions. Lasers are good, but what I don't like about them is that some targets take forever to die, and plus the range on them isn't all that great considering I'm getting shot at all the time from targets I have to get close to. With drones I have a ridiculous range but it's not always I can safely send them in without them getting blown up, which is kind of a problem since T2 drones aren't cheap for me. :/

I guess what I'm really asking in the end though, is what ends up doing more damage, and/or what would be better for mission running, between the following ships:

Harbinger vs. Prophecy
Apocalypse vs. Armageddon
Zealot vs. Curse

If it turns out drones will let me run missions faster, I'll be using them. But if lasers are worth it at the end of the day, I think I'd rather use them.


I would suggest you try to aim for a good balance of laser and drone skills, especially if you are going to be doing a lot of mission running, and especially if you are going to be doing combat exploration sites.

The trick is to go in, don't be too eager to kick the puppies out, take the agro yourself, then let them out to play.

You do need to manage them a bit, as they tend to wander off on their own if you don't keep an eye on them, and npc's will swap target, so you have to occasionally pull them back into the bay to retake the agro.

But with a little care, the puppies will kill small fast movers a hell of a lot faster then you can with turrets. Which is a must if you have webbers and scramblers in the mix against you.

I never use anything other then Hobgoblin II, they can put some serious hurt on even BC types.
Paul Panala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-07-05 16:22:17 UTC
Coraline Sparks wrote:
I've already tried both lasers and drones in missions. Lasers are good, but what I don't like about them is that some targets take forever to die, and plus the range on them isn't all that great considering I'm getting shot at all the time from targets I have to get close to.


Small fast ships are hard to kill using bigger ships, that is where drones shine. At the end of the day, you will need to train for both drones and lasers.

All of the ships you listed (expect the Zealot) have drone bays. Drones help you apply damage to smaller faster targets that you might have trouble hitting otherwise. Lasers are what you will use to take out the larger targets in a room.

The ships you listed that are meant for Drones to be their primary damage type (Prophecy and Armegeddon), still allow for another weapon system to apply extra DPS. As an Amarr pilot you will probably want that to be lasers (so you have flexibility to fly other ships)
Radius Prime
Tax Evading Ass.
#8 - 2013-07-05 17:10:44 UTC
Energy weapons boast some of the worst tracking in all of EVE, which means that on bigger boats you wont be able to hit anything small without drones. Furthermore drones are useful to all races and necessary for all bigger ships. They will never be wasted training time so spend as much time on them as you like without regrets. They will always add about 1/4dps on any ship for free so I would say a full range of T2 drones with supports at 4 is a must for any pilot, whether he is industry, pve or pvp.

Guns and missiles can come close behind, eventually you will want them all since you will want to crosstrain to secure your account against future changes. Did LVL 4s for years with a BC and low medium guns trained without even breaking a sweat so not training your guns to the fullest right away wont hurt you. Getting warp scrambled and webbed with no means of killing the small tackling frigates will hurt a ton more though so prioritize your drones for that until you are confident those no longer pose a threat.

Don't neglect your tanking skills as well, if you can't kill them fast enough, you need to be able to outlast them.

Fly Safe o/

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-07-05 19:40:39 UTC
Amarr are the secondary drone race, you have the dragoon as your first pure drone platform and then you have a steady progression of:

arbitrator>prophecy>armageddon with the t2 versions of the arbitrator also potent drone hulls.
Solutio Letum
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-07-06 04:15:50 UTC
Radius Prime wrote:
Energy weapons boast some of the worst tracking in all of EVE, which means that on bigger boats you wont be able to hit anything small without drones. Furthermore drones are useful to all races and necessary for all bigger ships. They will never be wasted training time so spend as much time on them as you like without regrets. They will always add about 1/4dps on any ship for free so I would say a full range of T2 drones with supports at 4 is a must for any pilot, whether he is industry, pve or pvp.

Guns and missiles can come close behind, eventually you will want them all since you will want to crosstrain to secure your account against future changes. Did LVL 4s for years with a BC and low medium guns trained without even breaking a sweat so not training your guns to the fullest right away wont hurt you. Getting warp scrambled and webbed with no means of killing the small tackling frigates will hurt a ton more though so prioritize your drones for that until you are confident those no longer pose a threat.

Don't neglect your tanking skills as well, if you can't kill them fast enough, you need to be able to outlast them.

Fly Safe o/


Its not so true, Artys are terribad at tracking... i mean seriously bad. Drones are just drones.. they can be switched from small to medium and large, long range, ECM, salvage.... they are usefull but not a main weapon, not even on a carrier where its all there is, its usefull but only after reps and triage.

Although lets not confuse you, Figther's are not drones, they are only for carriers.
If i could get a ship that have has much dps has a good ship only with drones... i would drive it all the time because i love drones, but non are that much effective with only drones, drones are secondary weapons in most cases.
Q 5
999 HOLDINGS LLC
#11 - 2013-07-06 07:46:00 UTC
I use a rattlesnake for missions and drones are it's primary DPS projection and let me say I love it, now you have to manage drones but otherwise it works great, I am pleased with the sentry drones kills rats quickly.

I'm currently using t1 versions still, so I hear t2's are even more Big smileBig smileBig smile, so I'm working for that, but if you aren't willing to manage drones then go with a missile boat.

You will have to recall them sometimes but otherwise they are great.
Max Godsnottlingson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-07-06 08:50:01 UTC
Just another thought why drones should be your new best friends.

If you are going to be doing a lot of mission running, you are going to be doing missiona against Gurista and Sansha, and take it from me, when you have them mass jamming you it's a real pain.

But once you have the 'Puppies' out and fighting they will carry on killing things. OK, they are not so easy to control as often you can't see exactly what they are 'chewing on', but they will keep on chewing, even if you yourself are jammed to death.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#13 - 2013-07-06 09:19:11 UTC
sentry drones are pretty damn good, but I wouldn't really want them to be my main damage. they cap out (realistically) at 800 dps, although on the domi their projection is awesome. and they can decide to shoot triggers on their own. sure normally your garde IIs will go after the biggest ships in the mission first, but when the frigs are triggers for whatever reason they like to go for them first.

for missioning in amarr space lasers seem pretty damn awesome. heck, they work in most of caldari space too.

I've been meaning to try a navy geddon, lasers and a set of sentry drones!

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Toshiro Hasegawa
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#14 - 2013-07-06 11:45:23 UTC
I use a Gila with Sentry II's in 0.0 for ratting. Works fine.

I keep all my cap for non offensive stuff which makes me happy, and as sentries stay with you they are easy to pull in when targeted.

History is the study of change.

Kyra Quinn
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-07-06 14:58:50 UTC
I use drone ships for missions and exploration and it works more than fine, I don't have any problems with my drones getting chewed up since I learned what to shoot first with which drones. They do good damage, have good range if you use sentries, don't use ammo and can do all damage types. No idea how (or if) it works in PVP but I'll find out soon enough but for PVE it's great.
Yuna Talie-Kuo
Laborantem Societatis
#16 - 2013-07-06 21:42:41 UTC
In terms of PvE, drones are amazing. Sure, some get blown up, not hard to replace though.

In terms of damage, your drones should not be relied on for DPS. Majority of the time, in a PvE setting, they'll get blown up, you'll have to recall then, etc. You're better off using a boat that has damage on it's own with turrets, IE Omen or something similar.

But do not disregard drones. They can add up to another 170 DPS (Full flight of Hammerhead II's with specialization and Drone Interfacing V). They're a neccesity.\

But if you wanna try the drone damage direction, head for a Myrmidon and a Dominix. They both rely on drones to begin with. And they have the tank to deal with it.

YTK

I don't always do shit. But when I do, it's usually worth doing.

Radius Prime
Tax Evading Ass.
#17 - 2013-07-07 00:51:57 UTC
Solutio Letum wrote:
Radius Prime wrote:
Energy weapons boast some of the worst tracking in all of EVE, which means that on bigger boats you wont be able to hit anything small without drones. Furthermore drones are useful to all races and necessary for all bigger ships. They will never be wasted training time so spend as much time on them as you like without regrets. They will always add about 1/4dps on any ship for free so I would say a full range of T2 drones with supports at 4 is a must for any pilot, whether he is industry, pve or pvp.

Guns and missiles can come close behind, eventually you will want them all since you will want to crosstrain to secure your account against future changes. Did LVL 4s for years with a BC and low medium guns trained without even breaking a sweat so not training your guns to the fullest right away wont hurt you. Getting warp scrambled and webbed with no means of killing the small tackling frigates will hurt a ton more though so prioritize your drones for that until you are confident those no longer pose a threat.

Don't neglect your tanking skills as well, if you can't kill them fast enough, you need to be able to outlast them.

Fly Safe o/


Its not so true, Artys are terribad at tracking... i mean seriously bad. Drones are just drones.. they can be switched from small to medium and large, long range, ECM, salvage.... they are usefull but not a main weapon, not even on a carrier where its all there is, its usefull but only after reps and triage.

Although lets not confuse you, Figther's are not drones, they are only for carriers.
If i could get a ship that have has much dps has a good ship only with drones... i would drive it all the time because i love drones, but non are that much effective with only drones, drones are secondary weapons in most cases.


Who said anything about fighters? And he was asking about large energy weapons since he is finishing up with t2 medium ones.. You telling me they track well -.-? Must be in a different game.


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