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C5-6 Site Running: Like a Baws
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Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#121 - 2013-07-06 04:08:07 UTC
Kill things faster and neuts become a non-issue. If you have 3 Dreads, warp the first one in with the carrier and loki, then warp the other 2 in after a few seconds and then just melt things. It's fast and you don't really need to worry about tank or cap on any dread that isn't the first one. Have a refit for cap and a refit for tank and you're golden.

First Dread should probably be a Revelation, or your best skilled pilot because they tank better.
Ravage Prime
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#122 - 2013-07-26 08:27:35 UTC
Nice Guide
Ennoia Cain
Doomheim
#123 - 2013-09-05 11:44:13 UTC
AWESOME guide.....has the latest patch changed anything?, and how much doe it on average give in an hour?
Angsty Teenager
Broski North
#124 - 2013-09-05 16:56:28 UTC
Ennoia Cain wrote:
AWESOME guide.....has the latest patch changed anything?, and how much doe it on average give in an hour?


Nothing has changed significantly. Depending on what sort of link ship you were using (i.e. loki w/ skirm + armor or legion with armor + skirm), you'll see an increase in tank and/or web range respectively.

Assuming you're doing a double escalation in 10 minutes, including 2 minutes of travel time between sites, you're making ~300mil per site, so 1.5bil per hour.

If you're doing a triple escalation in 10 minutes, including 2 minute sof travel time between sites, you're making ~500mil per site, so 2.5bil per hour.

If you're doing double escalations in 5 minutes, including 2 minutes of travel time, at 300mil per site, you're making about 2.65bil per hour.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#125 - 2013-09-05 17:18:00 UTC
Sleeper guardian dps was increased from 617 to 694 each sometime between the release of odyssey and ~13th of August by the looks of it.
Ennoia Cain
Doomheim
#126 - 2013-09-05 18:13:44 UTC
Angsty Teenager wrote:
Ennoia Cain wrote:
AWESOME guide.....has the latest patch changed anything?, and how much doe it on average give in an hour?


Nothing has changed significantly. Depending on what sort of link ship you were using (i.e. loki w/ skirm + armor or legion with armor + skirm), you'll see an increase in tank and/or web range respectively.

Assuming you're doing a double escalation in 10 minutes, including 2 minutes of travel time between sites, you're making ~300mil per site, so 1.5bil per hour.

If you're doing a triple escalation in 10 minutes, including 2 minute sof travel time between sites, you're making ~500mil per site, so 2.5bil per hour.

If you're doing double escalations in 5 minutes, including 2 minutes of travel time, at 300mil per site, you're making about 2.65bil per hour.




Ah, allright, insane amount indd, im just hearing a friend of mind saying that it is very random when the sites spawn and so on?, if you are for exmaple three doing the capital escalations could you not farm the sties like you farm incursions?

Thanks for the info btw.
Admiral Douros
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#127 - 2013-09-06 00:25:21 UTC
Ennoia Cain wrote:
If you are for exmaple three doing the capital escalations could you not farm the sties like you farm incursions?


No, you can only run each site once per day, and after you initiate warp to a site it starts a despawn timer and will despawn after 3 downtimes.
Ennoia Cain
Doomheim
#128 - 2013-09-06 07:29:30 UTC
Admiral Douros wrote:
Ennoia Cain wrote:
If you are for exmaple three doing the capital escalations could you not farm the sties like you farm incursions?


No, you can only run each site once per day, and after you initiate warp to a site it starts a despawn timer and will despawn after 3 downtimes.




So then the profit will not be billions every day then.....?
Angsty Teenager
Broski North
#129 - 2013-09-06 16:20:49 UTC
Dependspn how many sites you have In your wormhole to run. If you have 20 sites, even if you only double escalate them, that us about 6bil per day. Would be a around 14bil if you quad escalate
Ennoia Cain
Doomheim
#130 - 2013-09-06 16:57:21 UTC
That is indeed very nice good sir
Ennoia Cain
Doomheim
#131 - 2013-09-06 18:49:43 UTC
is there any average on how many sites or is it totally random?
Sundiel
Inevitable Outcome
E.C.H.O
#132 - 2013-09-17 09:36:20 UTC
so can the dread with the loki webs clear the small stuff on the field? or do you need anything special?
Angsty Teenager
Broski North
#133 - 2013-09-17 17:19:13 UTC
Ennoia Cain wrote:
is there any average on how many sites or is it totally random?

It is random, but it is still possible to regularly find wormholes with ~10 sites (the minimum I consider to be worthwhile, though it really depends on how much time you have to invest).

Sites do not respawn quickly in C5's, generally to the tune of 0-1 sites per day, so it doesn't make much sense to stay in the same wormhole longer than the 4 days it will take you to despawn the sites you moved into the WH with. Moving nomadically from wormhole to wormhole is extremely efficient, but apparently most people don't have the will to do this.

Sundiel wrote:
so can the dread with the loki webs clear the small stuff on the field? or do you need anything special?


The dread can hit cruisers if they are webbed and TP'd by the loki (you'll have to wait for them to slow down though). In general you just should be using the carrier and loki (put guns on it) to clear the frigs and cruisers that are not triggers while the dread kills the battleships.
Sundiel
Inevitable Outcome
E.C.H.O
#134 - 2013-09-18 08:29:05 UTC


Sundiel wrote:
so can the dread with the loki webs clear the small stuff on the field? or do you need anything special?


The dread can hit cruisers if they are webbed and TP'd by the loki (you'll have to wait for them to slow down though). In general you just should be using the carrier and loki (put guns on it) to clear the frigs and cruisers that are not triggers while the dread kills the battleships.[/quote]

Thanks, we currently running the c6 sites with some BSs mixed in to deal with the small stuff.

I am the loki pilot at the moment. :)
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#135 - 2013-09-18 08:59:58 UTC
I'm curious how to do sites with ashimmus and vigilants? We're trying to do it but we do it badly was wondering if theres any tricks I don't know about...

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Jon Matick
State War Academy
Caldari State
#136 - 2013-09-18 21:46:15 UTC
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
I'm curious how to do sites with ashimmus and vigilants? We're trying to do it but we do it badly was wondering if theres any tricks I don't know about...

short web range is short, crappy tank is crappy. *shrug*

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HerrBert
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#137 - 2013-09-19 01:22:25 UTC
meh sounds reasonable... not sure if it works or if it is a big troll...

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TXG SYNC
Dad Jokes R Us
#138 - 2013-09-22 00:52:02 UTC
The approach works fine and is not a troll but you'll end up needing some tweaks to match the skills, fits, and dread/carrier choices of your team. In general, more people == worse payout, but faster site-clearing and better safety.

Get your pilots together on Sisi and try it out a few times. It helps to pick the faction stuff up before the mirror to Sisi so you get an adequate test, but it's much better to lose a capital on Singularity for 100 isk than multi-billions on the live server...
Lara Dantreb
Reisende des Schwarzschild Grenze
#139 - 2013-09-22 22:48:06 UTC
I just wanted to thank Angsty Teenager for keeping alive of the most awesome threads around.

I definately plan to give it a try !

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Revan Xadi
Ninjew Evasion Inc.
#140 - 2013-09-24 16:36:11 UTC
My corp does all 4 escalations in one siege cycle. We warp in the carrier and loki, followed by 4-6 dreads, followed by a second carrier later. It's extremely efficient if you have the extra capital pilots, but it's only practical if you live in the wh where you are running ssites. As opposed to being nomadic. Decent isk/hour/person also relies on having people that can effectively multi-box dreads.

We normaly run 4-6 sites a night, and it takes us less than an hour, from warping in the forst carrier, too having the salvager from the last site back in the POS. Its also worth noting, that there are very few WH entities that will drop on you when you have 10+ manned capitals on d-scan.