Ships & Modules

Me and relatively small corp of bored alts and looking to suicide gank, and I'm having a devil of a time EFTing a good Coercer fit.

I'm a little constrained, because for RP reasons we're limiting ourselves to using laser turrets with gamma crystals (blue lasers), as we are all fans of Cheat Commandos and have already purchased most of their playsets and toys.

So, seems like we're restricted to the durable Coercer. But gettting a max DPS / max alpha fit out of the damn things is tough, especially 'cause I don't know **** about energy weapons.

I've EFTed 'til I couldn't take it anymore, so I'm wondering if anyone knows the best turret to use to maximize DPS over a 12 second period of time (our benchmark). The chars will have Engineering V / Electronics V / Weapons Upgrades IV, and we'll have separate characters for scanning targets, providing warp-ins, and looting wrecks. It shouldn't matter, but assume Small Energy Turrets at III and Gunnery supports at III too.

I don't want/expect someone to repeatedly iterate the various weapons systems, mostly wondering if anyone just knows off the top of their head a good gank-fit Coercer for a 30-day SP character (PLEXing an alt on a main character's account). Battle Clinic and Google were less than helpful.

Any help?

That does help; and yeah, I know we're kinda restricted. Seem to be able to push out about 2.2k damage per ship, which means five of us just to drop an untanked Retriever. Then again, we've all got more isk then sense . . . although that may change when we're all running around -10 trying to sneak in more ganks :)

God I hate energy turrets. The difference between rails and blasters is pretty straightfoward - the difference between beams and pulses (and the variations within those classes) is driving me bonkers.

EDIT: can't stress this enough, thank you. Gives me a great place to build off of, hadn't considered that rig and hadn't been using meta points/sebos to save on CPU like I should have. That turret you used in the T1 fit (not doing T2, although i want to) is outperforming the 9 other fits I have up in EFT).

Read the OP. Also, the OP has stated Weapon upgrades IV, so the double algid rig trick will not work for him...

Seriously, just use Catalysts like normal ppl. Why gimp yourself?

I can respect in game RP... It can make things interesting.

Woulda been cooler to name the corp rainbow lasers, but oh well.....

None but one of you have any need for sensor boosters. It's not like lock time is a significant limiting factor on killing a barge. A few key points to be aware of;

1. The warpin. There are a lot of people who won't stick around with Destroyers on grid (for good reason). Try to find an inconspicuous way to get a good warpin. I'd suggest having one guy with combat probes; barges are effortless to get a hit on, then he dumps your whole squad at zero and the poor sap gets burned down with no warning unless he was paranoid enough to be checking D-scan in the ~1 minute window between probes being out and his untimely death. Then the dude in the covops/T1 prober loots all the wrecks and everyone waits out their timers.

Alternatively, just have one guy fly around in a Venture/barge with a passive targeter and a ship scanner looking for soft targets to cozy up on, though some miners get paranoid about people getting close to them.

2. Faction Police. They jam. It's obnoxious. If you don't know what to do with your mids, ECCM is a lifesaver. This is only a problem if your sec status tanks low enough that they start following you around, at which point you have to be really on the ball with setting up your warps and moving quickly. You can still murder people just fine with them on your tail; you just want to plan around them a little bit and they cut away your margin for error.

3. Between their tendency to be AFK, get flustered at suddenly coming under attack, and terrible align times, miners warping out of a gank is actually not that major an issue. They will very rarely warp out in time even without being pointed. However, a ship that is actively initiating warp has some resilience to being bumped, and no-prop destroyers will not be sufficient. If you're seriously worried about the target warping out (such as finding someone visibly at their keyboard), put a scram on some of your guys and maybe have your prober also be someone with an MWD who's good at bumping.


One last note: if a miner has drones out, there's a very good chance that they'll automatically attack one of you, creating a limited engagement. This doesn't change anything about the gank itself (you still lose sec status, Concord is still coming to get you), but it means that everything after the moment they start shooting back is treated as a legal fight. Specifically, this means that the person they engaged (and only that person) can pod them without any further consequences. Try to lead with a Sebo guy!


EDIT: one last thing make sure everybody has Thermodynamics and overheats their guns / ECCM it makes a huge difference. I forgot it until now but it is incredibly important. Even Thermo I is enough because you're all going to be dead in 20 seconds anyways just make sure everyone has it.