Wormholes

I lived in a c3 with a friend for almost a year without this system and we did pretty good. Learned a lot in the process. So, stop crying, MTFU or go back to empire.

I was replying to Yokosomething from the small corp. But you are right the learning curve of wspace its somewhat broken now.

Situation normal here.

Same amount of morons running around in shiny ships doing stupid things as usual.

This is back to the assumption that everyone is smart enough, or can be bothered enough to constantly monitor the signature list for a new sig to pop. I would say from our experience thus far that little has changed and it is still fairly easy to catch people running sites by rolling into them.

Besides, I'm sure half the people who hate it secretly love it when they're the ones doing the farming.

There's one thing combat probes do that discovery doesn't....give away your presence. There used to be this thing called "challenge". It could also be called balance. Here, let me explain how this works.....

You jump into the system and what do you see on dscan? Ventures or barges not at a pos. Then you had to stalk them. Find out where they were to within about 2 - 4 au, go off dscan and drop your probes, then drop them right on top of whomever. If you were lucky and quick you could get them without them even knowing you were there basking in the glory of your success.

With discovery scanner, any noob and a couple of monkeys can pull that one off. I mean, if this is what you're looking for HS offers many more times the pure gank potential than w-space. See roid belt, warp to roid belt, see barge, gank barge. Yes, challenge...the thrill of the hunt....its all there for you....go...

And so, it's the same for wh's and the discovery scanner. It's laziness....pure and simple....but apparently a lot of people are drinking that Koolaid.

Wow you are very ignorant. Anyone with half a brain already had a scout watching for new signatures. People have said this in the thread already.

After the changes, it just made it easier for the newbie groups to not get ganked.. slightly. When they are in the middle of running sites they are stuck in siege & triage so your point of poeple rolling in to a site running fleet is going to end up in much the same result as it did before hand.

Okay, here's how I see this situation.

For high class wormholers:

1. Caps that were caught running sites before are still going to be caught now, since you can't warp off with a siege timer.
2. If you're rolling for other entities to PvP with, they'll still bring you a fight regardless of how early they detect your sig.
3. If you want to go ganking carebears, scan further than your static... connections formed down there have huge mass limits that are usually next to impossible to close by the single ratter. Any K162 you come across is a potential hunting ground, so don't be so damn jaded. When was the last time someone found a small Tengu fleet ratting in C5/C6 anyway?

For lower class wormholers:

1. If you live in a C2 or C4, chances are your static will lead you on a pretty hefty chain, and eventually you'll come across connections that were already formed, and targets that won't be alerted to your entrance.
2. If you live in a C1 or a C3, I'd imagine you weren't there to PvP anyway... or at least not in wormhole space. In which case, you're rather irrelevant to the conversation. If you are there to PvP in wormholes, you're doing it wrong, and you need to pack up and move to more suitable holes.

I wouldn't rely on complaining to make CCP fix all the things (or anything for that matter). Adapt to the new changes or die. This is in the spirit of Eve no?