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Whither Kesper North?

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None ofthe Above
#21 - 2013-07-04 09:10:24 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Kesper made a brief but content rich appearance on the latest Declarations of War as well


Here he is ladies and gentlemen, Alekseyev Karrde! Managing to be a hero of CSMs he is not even on.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.
Frying Doom
#22 - 2013-07-04 22:21:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Actually the removal of a CSM member was not put into the White paper.

Only the removal of officers with the following expected of them
"The CSM is a “flat” organization, and Officers do not have special powers, only additional responsibilities. The
responsibilities of the Chairman and Vice-Chairman are to handle official communications between the CSM
and CCP, and they are expected to be particularly active in interacting with the community. The responsibilities
of the Secretary and Vice-Secretary are related to the production of official CSM publications such as the CSM
Summit Minutes. Thus, CSM Officers are expected to be the most active members of the CSM."

Which is pretty much why I gave up on the CSM as a bad joke after they made a player famous for failing to communicate with the players, Chairman. Lets face it if the CSM members cant even be bothered to read the White Paper, governing them.

Or would someone like to show me where the Chairman is "particularly active in interacting with the community"

Lol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#23 - 2013-07-05 06:35:59 UTC
Trebor has worked his ass off spending time with all of us to get us up to speed on CCP's orgs, processes and quirks. Ripard took over the "outward facing" part of the role, and he's been pretty active with the communication.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Frying Doom
#24 - 2013-07-05 13:56:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Malcanis wrote:
Trebor has worked his ass off spending time with all of us to get us up to speed on CCP's orgs, processes and quirks. Ripard took over the "outward facing" part of the role, and he's been pretty active with the communication.

So as i said you guys don't seem to be capable of reading the CSM white paper. The chairman, Vice-Chairman, secretary and Vice Secretary have clearly defined roles.

I missed the bit in the white paper that says "The Chairman may out-source any and all of these roles, to another CSM member or Third world country"

As I said above
CSM White Paper wrote:
The responsibilities of the Chairman and Vice-Chairman are to handle official communications between the CSM and CCP, and they are expected to be particularly active in interacting with the community.

Lol

I do like Ripards Updates, and Alis and your communication on the forum but while I may enjoy it, it is not a requirement of office for you.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#25 - 2013-07-05 14:22:09 UTC
Well we had the discussion early on and reached an agreement about delegating areas of responsibility according to our capabilities and areas of interest. It seems to be working pretty well so I'm not even sure what the problem is?

If no outward communication was taking place, then it would be Treb's repsonsibility to make it happen (and it is; he's done his job in that respect) - It's not necessary that he himself is on the hook for making every last bit of day to day communication or even any of it, as long as he's assured that he's delegated that job out. We're more than happy to take over that task in order to free him up to do the work that yields the greatest value to the team. The White Paper can't forsee every contingency and combination, and we treat it as a guide rather than a hard and fast set of unbendable rules. The next CSM might have good reason to adopt a more rigid, formal approach; that will be up to them.

Luckily, CSM8 has so far been boringly crisis-free (as I told you to expect). Should that happen to change, you could reasonably expect to see Trebor taking a more active public role.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
None ofthe Above
#26 - 2013-07-05 20:23:19 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Well we had the discussion early on and reached an agreement about delegating areas of responsibility according to our capabilities and areas of interest. It seems to be working pretty well so I'm not even sure what the problem is?

If no outward communication was taking place, then it would be Treb's repsonsibility to make it happen (and it is; he's done his job in that respect) - It's not necessary that he himself is on the hook for making every last bit of day to day communication or even any of it, as long as he's assured that he's delegated that job out. We're more than happy to take over that task in order to free him up to do the work that yields the greatest value to the team. The White Paper can't forsee every contingency and combination, and we treat it as a guide rather than a hard and fast set of unbendable rules. The next CSM might have good reason to adopt a more rigid, formal approach; that will be up to them.

Luckily, CSM8 has so far been boringly crisis-free (as I told you to expect). Should that happen to change, you could reasonably expect to see Trebor taking a more active public role.


In spite my earlier criticisms, I really don't have a problem with this. I think on these types of teams it's quite important for people to pitch in where they are best fit and able. Officers responsible for making sure things don't fall through the cracks. That works for me.

Sorry Frying, I think you are being a bit wrong headed to be so literal with job roles in a volunteer organization. If you were paying them and they were up for review, then maybe such comments might be in order.

Communication of the delegations and who is doing what could perhaps be improved. A stickied post here, and/or something on your new http://CSM8.org website, would be the two most official places to look. That way it wouldn't be such a mystery, leaving people wondering if you are doing this on purpose or just a bunch of guys not coordinating with each other.



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Frying Doom
#27 - 2013-07-06 00:07:40 UTC
I can't complain about the lack of communication, that's for sure.

But from my perspective it just seemed pointless to elect someone as chairman who they knew would not actually fill that role.

Kind of like appointing someone as the secretary because of there brilliant cooking skills.

But well lets be honest the whole thing really doesn't matter.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#28 - 2013-07-06 13:56:47 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
I can't complain about the lack of communication, that's for sure.

But from my perspective it just seemed pointless to elect someone as chairman who they knew would not actually fill that role.

Kind of like appointing someone as the secretary because of there brilliant cooking skills.

But well lets be honest the whole thing really doesn't matter.


He's earning his keep. That's all that counts.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Frying Doom
#29 - 2013-07-09 00:46:47 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
He's earning his keep. That's all that counts.

So a Claytons Chairman

Claytons. The Chairman you have when you're not having a Chairman.
Lol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
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