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random hisec wardecs on small/new corps
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Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#21 - 2013-06-22 03:09:59 UTC
Use neutral haulers.

Train covert ships first.

War mechanic is broken.
They need to let the defender have a shot at an isk war on who bribes off concord.

My preferred way would be with silent auction between the corps. Who ever bids highest pays the isk to concord and the war either does or does not happen based on who won the auction. Force the corp that loses to wait a month before they can re-declare. Since the defenders already paid a big fat protection check to concord.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2013-06-23 02:15:14 UTC
I think this raises an issue which many players fail to understand prior to establishing a corp in EvE. If you ever played warcraft 1 and built only gold producing units and structures you will understand what that issue is.

In EvE there are a few ways to run a corp in highsec successfully. You can recruit pve people and fight back with those. You can recruit pvers and a pvp wing and replacing ships and modules from corp wallet or the best way in my opinion recruit pvers and hire mercs from corp wallet when you are decced.

Make sure in your corp description you outline how your corp will handle wardecs. "While our corp is primarily PvE we welcome war declarations and have an cooperative agreement with [insert mercenary corp name] to respond to any declaration with extreme predjudice" or some such shite.

You cannot just have money making units in EvE even in highsec. You need a plan of defense and offence.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#23 - 2013-06-23 04:31:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Make sure in your corp description you outline how your corp will handle wardecs. "While our corp is primarily PvE we welcome war declarations and have an cooperative agreement with [insert mercenary corp name] to respond to any declaration with extreme predjudice" or some such shite.

While I generally agree with the above post absolutely don't do this. One thing that'll make me declare war on a corp pretty much instantly is seeing something like that in their corp description, particularly if it's not backed up by their killboard and war history.

I personally declared war on an alliance for doing that exact thing a little over a week ago.

You're much better off just killing your war targets and not saying a damned thing about it anywhere. When someone is scoping you out for a war they'll look at your war history and if they're likely to be deterred by the possibility of serious resistance they'll be deterred at that point.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2013-06-23 12:13:14 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Make sure in your corp description you outline how your corp will handle wardecs. "While our corp is primarily PvE we welcome war declarations and have an cooperative agreement with [insert mercenary corp name] to respond to any declaration with extreme predjudice" or some such shite.

While I generally agree with the above post absolutely don't do this. One thing that'll make me declare war on a corp pretty much instantly is seeing something like that in their corp description, particularly if it's not backed up by their killboard and war history.

I personally declared war on an alliance for doing that exact thing a little over a week ago.

You're much better off just killing your war targets and not saying a damned thing about it anywhere. When someone is scoping you out for a war they'll look at your war history and if they're likely to be deterred by the possibility of serious resistance they'll be deterred at that point.

I agree if its not true however the moment a competent merc corp crashes your party you'll retract.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#25 - 2013-06-23 16:33:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
The problem is that most people's concept of "Competent mercs" is a bunch of mouth-breathing station campers like Marmite that aren't actually effective against people that wardec people in highsec. They are carebears they don't have the ability to identify effective mercs.

So when you put something in your description that you think says "Don't screw with us or these mean people will beat you up" what I see is "These incompetent cretins you've fought before are committed to helping us, please declare war on me to force them into a difficult situation".

Also getting a reaction out of an aggressor isn't always a good thing. My alliance typically doesn't let wars end while there are mercs involved in them.

Don't telegraph what you're going to do and don't say things that commit you or anyone to a specific course of action. Just be ready and know what your options are.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#26 - 2013-06-26 10:43:04 UTC
Being elegable to wardecs is part of being a corp, and enjoying the benefts that come with it. Every corp active in hisec should have a protocol on what to do when a wardec is issued against you. There are many ways to deal with wardecs. I like to keep conducting business using a hard-to-catch ship and public contracting, and retreat back to lowsec where most hisec wardeccers won't even dare to follow.
Katsumoto Moliko
Players vs. EVE
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2013-06-27 08:44:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Katsumoto Moliko
War is not always a negative thing, it simply means your experience as a new player just got a whole lot more...

interesting. Blink

Quote:
  • miraculously develop pvp skills overnight (25hrs) which considering low-skills and low-isk of beginners isn't really an option

    • This statement is not necessarily true. Learning how to fight is the most important skill in EVE, and there is no better way to learn than the hard way. Cutting your teeth and doing FW, RvB, or even simply flying out to lowsec in whatever you can afford with an itchy trigger finger will eventually pay off in the long run.

    Quote:
  • leaving player corp for npc newbie corps

    • While this is an option, you must accept the fact that you cannot always be running away from your problems forever. Pirate

    Quote:
  • developing remarcable hide-n-seek skills which means you either run away/doc/logout (for how long?) or move to another empire's space where the area is a bit clearer.


    • This is hardly a difficult thing to learn how to do. It is a matter of simply fitting your ship correctly.

    I flew a completely unarmed Rupture from deep in null to a border highsec system after resubbing a couple of days ago. Avoided more bubbled camps than I can count by simply not warping directly from gate to gate. After I docked up in a .5, I then refit my lowslots with warp core stabs and nanofiber internal structures, added polycarbon engine housings to my rigs, and effortlessly ran through more than a couple of war gatecamps on a mad dash to home.

    You can avoid all of your "victimization" problems in EVE regarding wars by simply teaching yourself how not to be the victim.
    Dracvlad
    Taishi Combine
    Astral Alliance
    #28 - 2013-06-28 10:32:14 UTC
    The thing is that you should setup a corp operation in NPC 0.0, this should be a exploration operation where you can use cheap frigates or better stil train covert ops to run the sites.

    Train infomorph Pscychology, join one of those corps that offer JC services and get one or two, rejoin your corp then make your way there. Then when you get a war dec just JC there re-set med clone and laugh at the war deccers who will drop it after a week as they have no impact on you.

    If you want any advice contact me in game.

    When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

    Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
    Disastro
    Wrecking Shots
    #29 - 2013-06-30 11:44:41 UTC
    xiline anahata wrote:
    Greetings,

    The fact that this happened to me is irrelevant since we're trying to keep an objective perspective on this matter.
    Being in a 10man corp and getting randomly wardec'd by bigger(corps or alliances, on average much larger than a small new player corp that doesnt really know ppl) is ok as far as i'm concerned ethically outside hisec space.
    Now, ofc, why would you move with a bunch of newbies to low/null ? well you don't. You stay in hi.
    However, the game mechanics allow for random entities to wardec in hisec basically giving 3 options:
    [list]
  • miraculously develop pvp skills overnight (25hrs) which considering low-skills and low-isk of beginners isn't really an option
  • leaving player corp for npc newbie corps
  • developing remarcable hide-n-seek skills which means you either run away/doc/logout (for how long?)

    • Developing hide or seek skills requires no skill points at all. Your folks need to watch local if they are in space. If they see a guy with a red star by his name enter local then you warp to station and dock. It really isnt that hard to avoid dying in a high sec war dec.

    Folks who mine are the most exposed probably because they will be sitting semi afk in a belt and easily found by a neutral scouting alt. Folks who mission are exposed when they go through gates so they will need to scout the next system in a pod or a frig or something or with an alt before entering to keep their ship from getting ganked. Stay aligned to station and if you see a red star enter local then warp to station (assume someone neutral probed out your mission).
    yopparai
    ASTARTES CORP
    Hashashin Cartel
    #30 - 2013-07-03 18:32:54 UTC
    Move to lowsec and learn to eve, then you won't have to whine every time you get wardecced.

    Moving to lowsec forces your members to grow up fast, & most wardec corps won't venture into lowsec so you won't have to worry about them bugging you.

    If your members say they aren't ready for lowsec kick the out of corp, they are cowards and not worth your time.

    So many people have this idea that they need to train skills & just do pve for years before they can dive into pvp, but you should really get into pvp as early on as you can & then worry about doing all the other boring stuff eve has to offer.

    Yopp
    Caius Sivaris
    Dark Nexxus
    #31 - 2013-07-04 14:36:34 UTC
    xiline anahata wrote:
    Greetings,
    However, the game mechanics allow for random entities to wardec in hisec basically giving 3 options:

    • miraculously develop pvp skills overnight (25hrs) which considering low-skills and low-isk of beginners isn't really an option
    • leaving player corp for npc newbie corps
    • developing remarcable hide-n-seek skills which means you either run away/doc/logout (for how long?) or move to another empire's space where the area is a bit clearer.



    Corps of noobs, as you discovered, are very low in the pecking order. The smart move, or the 4th choice in your list, for a newer player, is not not to form another useless corp but to join an existing competent entity that can nurture him in a better player.

    Many good entities have very low SP requirement for their recruits, and the time it takes to get to it SP wise can be spent in a NPC corp.
    Tinu Moorhsum
    Random Events
    #32 - 2013-07-04 16:53:39 UTC
    xiline anahata wrote:
    Greetings,

    The fact that this happened to me is irrelevant since we're trying to keep an objective perspective on this matter.
    Being in a 10man corp and getting randomly wardec'd by bigger(corps or alliances, on average much larger than a small new player co ....snip....


    seems to me that the decshield alliance was still a viable alternative in these cases.

    Other than that... Sun Tzu really put it best. (I'm parphrasing) "if you can't beat them then don't give them a fight" .

    In other words blue balls them. Taking down all of your high-sec POS's can be done easily in 24hrs. Then keep your head down for a few days and chances are very good that they won't pay to keep the war dec going.

    Sun Tzu said it first so it must be true. If you can't beat them, don't try.

    that said.... I also have a small corp... but I have a bat-phone.... In other words, I have powerful friends.....

    When **** gets real I can call on friends who will come and save my flaming patooosh. The last time one of our bretheren used the bat-phone he was getting attacked in a wormhole. The "bad guys" reinforced his POS and were looking set to take over the WH but when they woke up the next morning, there were literally dozens of us formed up on their ****-caged, incapped POS asking them what they intended to do next. In the insuing fight almost every one of them exited the wormhole via pod express.

    And that's the point. Being small doesn't mean you have to think small. Even the smallest of corps can make friends with people.
    Xequecal
    Ministry of War
    Amarr Empire
    #33 - 2013-07-04 22:07:39 UTC
    These kinds of wardecs are a huge problem for new players.

    As a new player, running missions and/or mining is really the only viable means of income you have. You can't go into wormholes. You can't do any kind of exploration at all, you don't have the skills for it. If your corp gets wardecced, you basically can't make money at all anymore. It's way too risky when your mission-fit BS can be perma-lockdowned by a single interceptor that you can't kill while he waits for his friends to show up.

    Sure you could join a large PvP corp, but those are even more likely to get wardecced, resulting in the same problem. Even if said corps owns 0.0 space, you can't do anything in it to make money. Even belt ratting is ridiculously dangerous since a low-skill character has to use a BS to kill them which will die to every roaming gang that comes through the system.
    Psychotic Monk
    Sebiestor Tribe
    Minmatar Republic
    #34 - 2013-07-05 18:38:07 UTC
    Those things most certainly aren't your only sources of income. In fact after your initial tutorials you don't have to ever do any PvE if you don't want to and can probably be making more money more quickly than your PvE-doing peers.

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