Wormholes

The fact that you can see WH sig appearing in your overlay immediately is game breaking design.
In fact it is sort of silly you see same stuff regardless of ship you are in. I'm sure e.g. dreads were not designed for exploration.

The whole design to show the signatures the way they are shown was justified by the statement that it brings exploration visible to the players.
I fully disagree with this design reasoning. I do not get what it has to do with exploration that you see all the exploration options once you enter the system

I'm pretty sure Mr. Columbus did not see North American continent in his overlay view.

W-space is not ideal for botting....that is true. But with instant intel (discovery scanner), it is possible now because it's range is infinite and if you know what sigs you have and you only have one static, it's not hard to close it. With the static closed, any new sig can be assumed to be a wh, instant warp to pos.

I saw some russians....very late US TZ moving moving multiple toons in/out of our hole from a C4. The idea that they might be botting was keen on my mind as 7 at a time would simultaneously jump the wh from the c4 to our system and simultaneously warp to our hs jump. Prolly just multiboxers. But with the discovery scanner....who knows? Maybe they gave it a shot and couldn't make it hands off enough to make it work. *shrugs*

No it can't.

No, but you treat it as such until it is actually scanned down.

I think most ppl could care less about mining in WHs it's always been **** and always will be **** as long as CCP doenst improves the refining arrays with some common sense(tm).

Knowing CCP, this will never happen. Lets face it, they are plain incompetent with everything even remotly conected to the POS system, or common sense(tm) .

The stupid systemscanner makes it almost impossible to jump cap escalation farming fleets unless you are rage rolling with a 30+ ppl fleet. So you can smash in there right away.

The system Scanner destroyed the entire watch/hide game for WHs.

It was good before, ppl were able to spot new signatures, like now, but they had to put effort into it, now they get that information for free, rubbed into their face.

While the sneak up faction had time to asses the sitiuation before and plan. Now its just about being fast and have a lot of brute force at your disposal. Destroyed the entire, hopefully nobody has seen me game.

Eve Online Odyssey - successully removing the exploration bits from exploration.

omfg would you people get over dsps?
they do NOTHING combat probes dont do, move the fk on to real issues.

Having it on a delay, combined with ore sites being anoms, will turn miners into free food for anyone who comes along. There's nothing the miner can do to protect themselves. At least before Odyssey, constant use of dscan gave you the opportunity to see probes out looking for you.

Mining in WHs will slowly cease to exist with this change as people discover that they can be ganked with little effort by any and all.


Mining in WHs is actually quite lucrative, especially for larger groups. Serious mining groups will build a rorq to skip the **** POS refine; more casual groups still make a decent profit even with a 30% hit.

Holy tears. If someone wasn't constantly probing while in their escalation gangs and you had time to form a fleet and then warp in on them, they likely aren't going to be on the ball with the new system either. So a new sig pops up, if they are as bad as the people that don't constantly probe you have the same chance of catching them as before. Now you can even point your dscan at the anoms in system view and find them super fast. On top of that they aren't going anywhere while in Siege/Triage so you have roughly the same time period as before.

Stop QQing and change your tactics holy smokes.

I am in a minute WH corp and I still strongly dislike the new changes. Even when I am running sites in our hole. It's too damn safe! Sec status -1 should be dangerous, not a printing-press for ISK. And you can bet your ass that will be next. "Why should w-space be so lucrative when it's so safe?"

For me w-space have always (since my fourth day in Eve) been the great unknown. The danger lurking just under the surface. I say this both as a receiver and giver of unsuspected attacks.

I'm definitely not trying to be safe. We moved into wormholes because of the risk involved not the ISK. We are bad at making money. We are new dudes but we DO go looking for non-suicide fights all the time. We have roughly a 4 hour primetime and at least an hour of it is spent scanning the chain. WIth your mega-alliance you could scan the same chain down in probably 10 minutes. Your argument is basically "join the blob or stay within a few jumps of your system or expand your playtime".

The system scanner and sig changes make traversing through the chain easier for the little people. Since we can't put a cloaky in every system in our chain or have 5 people constantly up and down the chain looking for targets, having the sigs instantly appear (and roughly what planets they are at) shaves a few minutes off the process for each system. It also means when we come back through the system we can quickly check siggy against the system scanner to see if any new sigs appeared while we warp to the next hole.

To some old vets that have done it this way for years this may suck, but this is polish to an archaic system to some of us. Trying to catch players in escalation sites is a EXTREME minority of WH population.