EVE General Discussion

CCP considers the act of bumping a normal game mechanic even when being aggressed by a noob alt in a rookie ship for an hour or more, and does not class the bumping of another player’s ship as an exploit. However, persistent targeting of a player with bumping by following them around after they have made an effort to move on to another location can be classified as harassment, and this will be judged on a case by case basis.

If you had pasted me this i would forget about it but since thats not what they said i will continue to beat the drum

So in 60 minutes,the OP couldnt just logoff. Even if being bumped, you'll stay in space for about 2 minutes instead of ewarping and then instantly disappear. Unless they suicide aggro.

Nothing beside the fact that im not a quitter

I cant dictate someone elses actions but i can my own

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Tactic for stopping neutral machs:

Have an armed escort.

why:

Because bump happy machs aren't the issue here.

Suicide Gank them.
Counterbump them and Web your Freighter.

There's 2.

Log off. They can bump your ship all they want, but you can be off doing something else.
There's a third.

Eject. Same as above.
That's four.

Self Destruct.
That's five.

Grab some ECM to counter the impending gank squad.
That's Six.

There's 3 options that save your ship and cargo, and 3 options that are possible without any outside assistance.

Though I'm betting you're going to claim that those aren't "viable" because they require outside help (because 1 ship should be able to escape from 2 specialty ships designed to hold it, right?) or result in a loss of some kind.


Never said you did. Read what I wrote again. I mentioned that the Bumpers are not safe from PvP.


I'd simply call the police and have you arrested as, in the US, that's Assault. (Maybe even kidnapping, if the DA were feeling creative.)

Also, CCP has defined that point in time as "after you've relocated your activities to a different area." One continuous set of bumps does not harassment make, as it's no different that hellcamping a station, in terms of effect on your gameplay choices.


Except that you are not powerless to do anything about it in EVE unless you choose to be so (by refusing to involve your friends or run the risk of losing your ship), and it's not Illegal in the game.




Why is bumping someone once to set up a gank different from keeping them there to make a second attempt?
Why does it matter how long you keep them there to set up the first gank run?

The Miner bumpers are running a classic protection racket. Why do you think that is or should be illegal in EVE?

EVE is not real life. The legal system is slightly different that real life. Even in HS.

In general don't afk or autopilot, in the case of freighters don't carry stupid isk values in a ship designed for low cost high volume goods, use the ingame map for intel (miniluv aren't exactly subtle about what they do), avoid choke points (Uedema is a firm favourite), have a designated in-corp webber accompany the freighter so it can get into warp in under a week.
Miner specific (off topic I know but you brought up miner bumping) use a Skiff with an AB, they're practically impossible to bump for all but the most seasoned bumpers, buy a permit from your local extortion racket, fit for survivability (a small shield booster is not adequate take note mackinaw pilots) rather than yield, set known gank groups to terrible standings etc, it's not rocket science, it's basic situational awareness and fitting your ship appropriately.
Not my problem, it's yours

That's strange, last time I checked a considerable proportion of them were in one alliance with the occasional independent interested party operating under their flag. The alliance in question is CODE., and they've had several wars declared against them which haven't resulted in them disbanding or corp hopping.

With reference to any that are in NPC corps, of which there are probably a few, they're merely using the exact same methods of avoiding wardecs as many of the miners that they prey on. What's good for the goose, is good for the gander.

Why not just have a support ship help web the freighter into warp (also, couldn't you have boosts to improve the freighters chances and throw out the gankers calculations a little bit?)

The only argument I've seen against this is "baww I dont want an alt". Well then don't use an alt, get a friend in your corp to do it. The gankers are forced to have like 10-20 friends working to achieve their goal, why the hell should you, a lone player, win against that amount of coordinated effort and teamwork? Why shouldn't you have to put in a bit of the same (a tenth of it will do!) to counter them? This is an MMO after all.

Also the concept of isk tanking thats been thrown around is absolutely idiotic, and anyone suggesting it should biomass themselves and go back to other MMOs

hope this helps

First off, if the machs were designed to hold it then they would have a point fitted. That is the way it should work.

Suicide ganking them is not an option, as you would need more ISK and people on grid than than the haul is probably worth.

Sure counterbump a mach, sounds so easy right. Even if you start at your freighter and go right at them, unless you are in a bigger ship that mach is going to just plow right through you.

Log off is a great tactic, that is definitely how CCP wants you to counter a game play mechanic.

The rest are non issues.


No, they are just very, very greatly protected because they are not going to flag themselves for aggression. Even though they are perpetrating, how did you put it, assault, on your ship.

CCP has changed rules many times in the past.


Look, if you got a camp setup and are prepared to gank people coming through your AO, well that is the game. Sitting on a gate with the purpose to bump a freighter while your gang is there fine. Normal use of game mechanics, they get a 15 minute window to try to get out. In that time the freighter should be getting reps and be on it's merry way. Here is where the problem in my eyes comes in, Those 2 machs are still neutral through all of this even though they are the ones facilitating the attack. Still bumping that freighter. Protected under the same concord intervention, and I don't know about those two pilots personally, but most times those machs will also be in an NPC corp. Shielded from a wardec.

Giving up is not an option, so points 3, 4 and 5 of your are void. Suicide ganking them is not a viable option and getting ECM to counter the gank fleet wouldn't even be needed if you were actually able to deal with the machs in the first place.

Your second point is about the only thing you can potentially do, infact it is why I fly a bhaal as wing on freighter runs. Even still after maybe max 30 minutes you should receive a warning for harassment if you continue to bump the same pilot.

Define low? Bear in mind that the Rifter you used as example, fitted with a MWD can hit anywhere between 2500 and 3000+ m/s. At that speed, mach 9(ish), it is considered hypersonic, and is about travelling at around 35% of the speed of the Space Shuttle during re-entry. Can you imagine the mess if one of the shuttles had hit the ground carrying that sort of speed?

While not a relativistic speed it's certainly fast enough to make something that isn't held in orbit by both gravity and it's own rotation, deviate from it's course.