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Current Ice mining setup only helps out the multiboxers.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#21 - 2013-07-05 03:40:06 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Silivar Karkun wrote:
i think that we need to expand the number of systems that have ice anomalies, like for example, the whole cluster?.....

Your reasoning for this?

CCP nerfed the infinite ice for a reason,


Having the anomalies respawn elsewhere in the constellation or region, with some variance to the four hour timer, would go a long way towards changing the current system of miners undocking with 10 seconds left on the timer, ready to warp to the ice field the moment it appears.

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Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
#22 - 2013-07-05 04:09:42 UTC
Yeah, they should have at least made them spawn randomly through out the region. If not also require them to be probed out.

Not that I care much. Ice mining is too boring and unprofitable, POS ownership too annoying, and I don't plan on flying capitals anytime soon if ever. I know people who ice mine a lot though, and have dropped by to check it out a few times. Each time the ice field popped quick, and there was always an obvious hardcore multiboxer.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#23 - 2013-07-05 04:17:00 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Silivar Karkun wrote:
i think that we need to expand the number of systems that have ice anomalies, like for example, the whole cluster?.....

Your reasoning for this?

CCP nerfed the infinite ice for a reason,


Having the anomalies respawn elsewhere in the constellation or region, with some variance to the four hour timer, would go a long way towards changing the current system of miners undocking with 10 seconds left on the timer, ready to warp to the ice field the moment it appears.

Can't say that I disagree with you there, at the moment it's almost a Pavlovian response.

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cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#24 - 2013-07-05 05:55:08 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
One thing I noticed about ice mining is that the 10 mack fleets with the orca and charon seem to get most of the ice and clears out the belt.

So if you come with your single mack, you can expect to get jack poop for the entire belt is vacuumed up.

So I suppose the entire change of ice mining was not to remove bots, but to make it unprofitable for the lone miner and give all the isk to the multi-boxers.

So I guess I'll have to buy 10 accounts now.

Great job.



1. At what time did they pop the last asteroid? Set a timer for 4 hours and be the first one there.

2. Go to another system with ice that is less populated, they still exist.

3. Friend a lowsec corp, mine in lowsec with dscan and local. Stay aligned when someone is close and always orbit.

4. Join a nullsec indie corp mine with a team in nullsec.



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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#25 - 2013-07-05 06:05:24 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
One thing I noticed about ice mining is that the 10 mack fleets with the orca and charon seem to get most of the ice and clears out the belt.

So if you come with your single mack, you can expect to get jack poop for the entire belt is vacuumed up.

So I suppose the entire change of ice mining was not to remove bots, but to make it unprofitable for the lone miner and give all the isk to the multi-boxers.

So I guess I'll have to buy 10 accounts now.

Great job.




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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#26 - 2013-07-05 06:09:56 UTC
Join a corp that ice mines?
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#27 - 2013-07-05 07:07:23 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
So I guess I'll have to buy 10 accounts now.


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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#28 - 2013-07-05 07:13:44 UTC
The only Ice mining activity I am involved in is helping the guys haul the refined products. Our corp only mines Ice for POS fuel purposes. I never get complaints about belts being sucked dry or reports of those bot-fleets. Then again we operate a good bit away from the nearest trade hub. I'm no fan of multiboxing hoarders myself, but I kind of agree with the gentlemen suggesting removal of the competition via ganking, bumping, and other nefarious means! Blink
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#29 - 2013-07-05 08:01:44 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:

So I suppose the entire change of ice mining was not to remove bots, but to make it unprofitable for the lone miner and give all the isk to the multi-boxers.

So I guess I'll have to buy 10 accounts now.

Great job.



You know this is an MMO right???? Join or form an ice-mining corp and setup group mining operations.

Problem solved.

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PopeUrban
El Expedicion
Flames of Exile
#30 - 2013-07-05 11:44:33 UTC
Nex Killer wrote:
I box 3 accounts and I try it mine ice now with this update and it just hard now. I hop into a belt and within like 15mins the belt is gone because of the 10-15 macks with a ocra and freighter. I would love it if CCP made a ice mining laser for the venture if they did that I'm done with highsec and I'll move right into a low sec system in a heartbeat.

SO CCP MAKE A MINING LASER FOR THE VENTURE SO I CAN MINE THAT SWEET ICE IN LOW SEC!!


I kinda like the idea of making the venture more able to mine pretty much anything with the right gear. It shouldn't be more efficient than exhumers but it's already a nice little boat for newbies and alts to mine with, and as evidenced by your post it's cheap enough it actually encourages people to step outside of empire and take a little risk.

Heck, how about a T2 venture with an extra high turret slot and a better speedtank while we're at it? I always liked the idea of the venture being the "F-U" miner that just zips around vulturing anything it can get its grubby little hands on and works well for the solo miner without any support. NTM, a T2 venture with the right stats could make a pretty lulzy bait ship or tackler of opportunity.

Honestly though (this is a crazy idea) I wouldn't mind seeing all ice moved exclusively to lowsec, and taking away the concept of "ice systems" and just have it spawn and move/respawn like gas sites. This would give lowsec a very real meta value that would attract both null alliances and empire profiteers and breathe some life in to those systems.

That said, complaining that a fleet of 10 ships is more efficient at doing something than a single ship is just silly, no matter how many actual players are driving.
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