Wormholes

random goon wanders into wormhole subforum *gasps*

shouldn't you be over in gd asking for the head of the ccp employee that messed up?

not that your idea is bad or anything, but then that wouldn't be affecting only wormholes

oh your mad about something. go suck on a lollipop and calm down.

No sir, you are wrong. Wormhole space needs more people who get to a place, declare it the top, and occupy it against all comers. Kidd seems to have managed to do this. Some others likely have as well. Just because the number on your WH says its more dangerous than another doesn't mean that it is... as indicated by your post.

Some points:
If you aren't having fun in that shiny C6, move.
"But if everyone moves out of C6, it doesn't help, its a CCP problem."
If everyone moves out of the C6s today and they're suddenly only being used by daytrippers, you'd BEST BELIEVE they'd be full of fights. THIS MAKES IT OUR PROBLEM, NOT CCPs.

Besides: knowing CCP "fixing" C5-6 WHs might well be by way of a ban on new towers in them. Do you really want that kind of "expansion?"

nowon is going to grind POCOs for 20m of PI garbage that has a high volume.

But if they didn't have terrible blobbing t3 fleets....how could they PVP? I mean it actually involves risk to fly any other fleet comp.

Unforunately, the people causing the problems are too risk averse to get off the holes in their tech 3s and go pew in different ships that make for better engagements, more fun fights and generally all around gfs.

I applaud anyone in wspace that engages in fights without relying on tech 3 blobs. Props to those that know the way of the nano especially. And finally those with the balls to actually roam lowsec and nullsec instead of complaining about the lack of PVP in wspace. (Nullsecs are more common than all other wormholes in the upper classes. Low secs are very common in lower classes).

I agree 20 million wouldn't be worthwhile. I think Wormholes, PI, and PoS need a slight revamp. Pocos and PoS (that moon mine) should drop loot when they are reinforced if they did and it was sufficiently valuable, this would give people incentive to roam. If Pocos were at the sweet spot of being reinforceable for loot by a small gang (lets say less than 10 people) then it add something you could do to harrass residents of wormholes, null sec, and low sec. The same goes for moon mining POS. POS empires would have their moons constantly reinforced, just for the loot. People would be forced to rep up their pos and pocos, which would make for more targets for PvP. It would also give more incentive for defensive roaming gangs, and really "owning" your own space.

*edit* forgot to say, CCP should probably think about changing how long the wormholes stay open. If it was long enough to reinforce and then destroy a POS/POCO it would make harassment without capital a lot more doable.

WHs offer ever changing access to all parts of LS/NS. You never appear in the same location. It is the absolute paradise for finding PVP without being confined to some lame NPC station system or sov.

The entire premise of Verge of Collapse which people for some reason still do not understand is that we primarily roam NS. (OMG VOC WONT FIGHT OUR ARMOUR BLOB, WAH WAH). It has been extremely effective for the last 3+ years. We don't waste our time on pointless wspace activities unless we are really bored.

Fudge, flying an Enyo fleet into suicide in an Immensa exit and then coming back, reshipping into Nano and going to kill carriers on a gate in Delve exit is shitetons more fun than a lame "WSPACE FIGHT". You essentially jump across all of New Eden in 3 jumps.

Wspace doesn't just have to be for sitting in a POS and chest beating on wormholes.

NS/LS roaming has as much to do with WSPACE PVP as anything else. CCP created the framework for it. Most corps just sit on their arse and whine about no pvp.

Hey, I'm trying to present the problems and solutions to the lack of WH PVP.

The main problems are:
1. Over reliance on tech 3s. It was hilarious killing a ~certain~ blobby alliance tech 3s in just cynabals a few weeks back. Even more dumbfounding was instead of matching us in nano, they just brought more blobby tech 3s and 10 logi. Cause you know, we would be mentally challenged to engage that.

2. Expecting PVP to be on a platter constantly. People aren't going to be stupid to engage outnumbered. Not everybody is able to sound the horn of nerds and have 20 proteuses in a hour, let alone a day.

3. Expecting wspace not to reach a limit from too much "overfarming" of ganks


Solutions:
1. Grow balls, pew pew in fun ships and fleets.
2. Roam LS/NS, THERE ARE TONS OF THESE WORMHOLES. You can do all manners of shenanigans, from stealing the ore of miners to getting supers camping your wormhole LOL. There are alliances that will actively get mad and camp your wormhole in 50 man fleets.
3. Don't all live in one wormhole with 60 bored nerds with nothing to do.

Another issue is what you see happening in nullsec. As players converge into the bigger alliances. Suddenly there are less entities that can shoot each other with equal numbers. The end result is the bigger blocs have to shoot each other to create conflict. Unforunately, wspace is resisting this trend heavily which is only going to create more issues. Of course the upside of what happens in null, is so far when the bigger blocs failcascade, many smaller entities spring up and thus the system is revived anew and the cycle repeats.

Exactly, if they want blueballing to stop. They can easily make the fight look more appealing to the people that might blueball them. i.e. fly different ships. But instead what do people do? Warp 40 armor ships to the hole and QQ that nobody wants to engage them.

Blueballing in wspace is nothing specific to wspace(besides increased risk avoidance because of the pimped ships). It is the same in low and null. And people there have no problem adjusting to it.


This is all within the sandbox created by CCP.