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Current Ice mining setup only helps out the multiboxers.
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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-07-04 23:14:48 UTC
One thing I noticed about ice mining is that the 10 mack fleets with the orca and charon seem to get most of the ice and clears out the belt.

So if you come with your single mack, you can expect to get jack poop for the entire belt is vacuumed up.

So I suppose the entire change of ice mining was not to remove bots, but to make it unprofitable for the lone miner and give all the isk to the multi-boxers.

So I guess I'll have to buy 10 accounts now.

Great job.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#2 - 2013-07-04 23:23:16 UTC
It's called competition, turning a formerly infinite resource into a finite one tends to cause it. Now you have to figure out ways to get what you consider to be your share of the ice. The tools are already in the toolbox, you just have to learn to use them.

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Alisarina
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-07-04 23:23:17 UTC
Yeah I'm noticing the same thing in pretty much every ice belt system I visit.

Always 8-14 Macks, an orca and a freighter. I manage to get maybe 2 cargoholds full once I arrive before the ice is all gone.

Granted I only do ice mining when I'm watching a movie, youtube, chatting on comms or doing some actual work, but still it's more than slightly annoying. Another thing is if a second multiboxer shows up to vaccume the ice, it's all totally gone in 15-25 minutes from spawning.

Yes yes, go to low/null sec and you get it all I know that, but sometimes you just want to relax in space shooting rocks (even though most of the time if your solo it's best to just mine asteroids).
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-07-04 23:24:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Tardbar
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
It's called competition, turning a formerly infinite resource into a finite one tends to cause it. Now you have to figure out ways to get what you consider to be your share of the ice. The tools are already in the toolbox, you just have to learn to use them.


So the solution is to buy more accounts from CCP? I see this whole change was designed to make more money where no money existed before? I mean that is the only real way to compete right?

Screw the solo player. In order to compete you must buy more accounts.

Great job.

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Elizabeth Aideron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-07-04 23:33:46 UTC
the solution is to join the new order
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#6 - 2013-07-04 23:59:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
It's called competition, turning a formerly infinite resource into a finite one tends to cause it. Now you have to figure out ways to get what you consider to be your share of the ice. The tools are already in the toolbox, you just have to learn to use them.


So the solution is to buy more accounts from CCP? I see this whole change was designed to make more money where no money existed before? I mean that is the only real way to compete right?

Screw the solo player. In order to compete you must buy more accounts.

Great job.

Think outside the box young padawan, sure you can start more accounts and sit there plugging away at the ice for a while until it depletes, there are certainly other options though, most of which involve denying access to the ice via intimidation and explosions, and they're probably more fun to boot.
Off the top of my head you can

  • Contact other independents experiencing the same, and get some alts rolled for the sole purpose of ganking any mining ship that doesn't belong to your own group. (works really well on people hiding from PvP in NPC corps)
  • Hire Mercs to remove the non NPC corp competition from the ice
  • Start a war on non NPC corps that you see taking what you consider to be yours (see Mercs)
  • Contact your local New Order representative, they just love target rich environments

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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#7 - 2013-07-05 00:57:09 UTC
Just gank them. Or better yet, put together a nice Tornado fleet, use one of your Macks to get a warp in, and gank the freighter when you gauge that it must be 80-90% full of ice.
Desiree Sirena
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-07-05 01:07:36 UTC
Ok, buying more accounts for the sake of harvesting more ice is just plain ridiculous. Every account you add is (at least) $12.50 more OR 500 million ISK per month.

if it takes 40 hours to mine enough isk for a plex, then it's going to take 40 hours of mining AT LEAST to support all of your accounts no matter how many you have.

In terms of ISK/hr, just regular mining or lvl 4 mining missions (if you care to go that far) is somewhat on par with ice mining, but is a hell of a lot more convenient and available.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#9 - 2013-07-05 01:07:55 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
Just gank them. Or better yet, put together a nice Tornado fleet, use one of your Macks to get a warp in, and gank the freighter when you gauge that it must be 80-90% full of ice.

This is what I'm talking about, cut throat business practices are very in keeping with the ethos of Eve.

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Soloman Jackson
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-07-05 01:20:07 UTC
I usually just send a message to the Orca pilot and ask for an invite to fleet. More often than not an invite is sent. Then you gain the boosts from the big ole beast and can hoover your own pile of ice.

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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#11 - 2013-07-05 01:22:44 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
Just gank them. Or better yet, put together a nice Tornado fleet, use one of your Macks to get a warp in, and gank the freighter when you gauge that it must be 80-90% full of ice.

This is what I'm talking about, cut throat business practices are very in keeping with the ethos of Eve.


It's what has to happen if OP wants a bigger share of the ice. Right now, that ice field belongs to the multiboxer, because he goes in and takes it.

OP, if you want that ice, then you have to take it. You have to make it totally unprofitable for the multiboxer to mine that field. You and the rest of the indy miners need to either buy mercs or get in ships yourself and destroy this person. Gank his Macks, gank his Orca, and even better, bump and gank the hell out of his freighter. Destroy his haul of ice, day after day, until he packs up and goes elsewhere.
Aprudena Gist
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-07-05 01:22:55 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
Just gank them. Or better yet, put together a nice Tornado fleet, use one of your Macks to get a warp in, and gank the freighter when you gauge that it must be 80-90% full of ice.

No reason to waste perfectly good tornados, 6 blaster catalysts per ship do the job fine.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#13 - 2013-07-05 01:51:42 UTC
Before the change I got a hold of an ice miner and snagged 2B worth of ice.

That ice now has a value of 2B ISK.

The only conclusion I can come up with is that either people have so much hoarded that it might be years before it gets used up or it could be that the limited supply is plenty to cover the needs of those who use it. In any case I switched to ore sites and am doing just fine. I have to pay the tiniest bit more attention but the iskies per hour are about the same probably. I don't actually sell it. I refine it and build freighters with it. Sure can't do that with ice.

So just to have something that remotely comments on the OP, I'd say to all the little solo guys to switch to ores. It's nearly as relaxing and the bots don't go into ore sites so in the right systems you can grab most of the ore before anyone notices that it spawned.

Mr Epeen Cool
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-07-05 01:59:51 UTC
Soloman Jackson wrote:
I usually just send a message to the Orca pilot and ask for an invite to fleet. More often than not an invite is sent. Then you gain the boosts from the big ole beast and can hoover your own pile of ice.


But that still doesn't allow him to sit endlessly mining ice in the same spot all day.

I ran into this with ore when I was first getting into the game. You can talk to the big guys and they might leave you some, might not.

Don't ban me, bro!
Nex Killer
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-07-05 02:09:24 UTC
I box 3 accounts and I try it mine ice now with this update and it just hard now. I hop into a belt and within like 15mins the belt is gone because of the 10-15 macks with a ocra and freighter. I would love it if CCP made a ice mining laser for the venture if they did that I'm done with highsec and I'll move right into a low sec system in a heartbeat.

SO CCP MAKE A MINING LASER FOR THE VENTURE SO I CAN MINE THAT SWEET ICE IN LOW SEC!!
Ckra Trald
Ckra Trald Corporation
#16 - 2013-07-05 03:09:48 UTC
leave tradehub areas and receive isk

or blow up miners with discoballs

hire the new order for help

bump macks

ye

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Silivar Karkun
Doomheim
#17 - 2013-07-05 03:31:33 UTC
i think that we need to expand the number of systems that have ice anomalies, like for example, the whole cluster?.....
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#18 - 2013-07-05 03:35:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Silivar Karkun wrote:
i think that we need to expand the number of systems that have ice anomalies, like for example, the whole cluster?.....

Your reasoning for this?

CCP nerfed the infinite ice for a reason, whether it was to create a conflict driver, to make the passive cash cow it represented more in line with other forms of income or just because they felt like it is a question only they can answer. Meanwhile those who used to harvest it all day without competition are feeling the pinch and the only way they're going to get the ice they see as theirs is to fight for it.

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2013-07-05 03:36:38 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:

So I guess I'll have to buy 10 accounts now.

Great job.


Sounds like a great job indeed.

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Soloman Jackson
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2013-07-05 03:37:22 UTC
Silivar Karkun wrote:
i think that we need to expand the number of systems that have ice anomalies, like for example, the whole cluster?.....


http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/Emolgranlan

There are systems like this that have two ice belts....

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