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Coup d'etat in Egypt & Update British Cameraman
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Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-07-04 07:48:11 UTC
There just isnt enough popcorn.

Been up all night watching it and making notes. 2 notebooks filled already.

Times like this i love being proved right.

Now we see what the hardline salafi groups do as the MB 'swore off' violence

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#22 - 2013-07-04 09:40:24 UTC
Good move by the army to stop a civil war from happening.
voetius
Grundrisse
#23 - 2013-07-04 11:08:20 UTC

I can't help feeling that this was the 'least worst' thing that could happen.

Also, we had the lukewarm response (as someone expected), Hague said something about a dangerous precedent. Which is of course true, but the alternative? Another tinpot dictator.
jason hill
Red vs Blue Flight Academy
#24 - 2013-07-04 14:41:10 UTC
well IMO Musai made three major gaffes .

1 complete marginalisation of 49% of the population in favour his own voters.

2 attempting to enforce sharia law on the entire populace ...Can`t see that going down very well with 10-15 million Coptic Christians living in the country.

3 publicly announcing that Egyptian jihadi`s pop over to fight in Syria ..making an otherwise delicate situation even worse.

it was only going to be a matter of time IMO the Egyptian army is bank rolled by the americans and would have probably had their funding cut if anything got out of hand .
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-07-04 15:21:17 UTC
What is a government if it's not at its citizens service?

Democracy, this word should mean something, it's meant to mean something.

What happened in Egypt at some point is a democracy lesson at the highest level for many countries armies, an Army reminding the government they're at their citizens service and not their executioners, preventing a larger human disaster in the country it self and surrounding ones eventually.

The democracy process is on the road for this country, the example given by Egyptian army should be taken by many others where those armies neutrality leads to fake democracies and citizens arresting/murderers with the complicity of existing governments to keep their citizens mouth shut and benefit of those same citizens taxes to have better conditions.

I respectfully salute Egyptian army for respecting their country citizens wish and make it happen "smoothly" for a better process of democracy and liberty of this noble country and people.

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2013-07-04 17:58:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
What is a government if it's not at its citizens service?

Democracy, this word should mean something, it's meant to mean something.

What happened in Egypt at some point is a democracy lesson at the highest level for many countries armies, an Army reminding the government they're at their citizens service and not their executioners, preventing a larger human disaster in the country it self and surrounding ones eventually.

The democracy process is on the road for this country, the example given by Egyptian army should be taken by many others where those armies neutrality leads to fake democracies and citizens arresting/murderers with the complicity of existing governments to keep their citizens mouth shut and benefit of those same citizens taxes to have better conditions.

I respectfully salute Egyptian army for respecting their country citizens wish and make it happen "smoothly" for a better process of democracy and liberty of this noble country and people.


Yeah! Go Egypt!!! Woo!!!!!

*Edit: Was going to put this in the funny news thread but I'm better than that Straight

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Reiisha
#27 - 2013-07-04 20:15:23 UTC
I rather liked one of the headlines i saw.

'Morsi Beau Coup'

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2013-07-04 23:10:38 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
What is a government if it's not at its citizens service?


A geographical monopoly on the legitimate use of force. The final arbiter in all cases of dispute between two parties, including itself.
Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2013-07-05 02:31:50 UTC
Reiisha wrote:
I rather liked one of the headlines i saw.

'Morsi Beau Coup'


Please tell me it was a UK paper...

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Adunh Slavy
#30 - 2013-07-05 03:39:26 UTC
Some animals are more equal than others

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Adunh Slavy
#31 - 2013-07-05 03:42:27 UTC
Tumahub wrote:
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
What is a government if it's not at its citizens service?

A geographical monopoly on the illegitimate use of force. The final arbiter in all cases of dispute between two parties, including itself (unless itself is threatened. See first sentence for clarification.)



Fixed

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2013-07-05 04:46:26 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Fixed


Fair point, but since I'm explaining it to statists, I had to use the (in)appropriate verbiage to convey the concept.

You've got to realize that, for most of them, it's mind-blowing to even broach the concept of the state from any viewpoint other than "magical human cooperation machine built on pure love and devotion that keeps the bad people from doing bad things."
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#33 - 2013-07-05 11:18:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
What is a government if it's not at its citizens service?

Democracy, this word should mean something, it's meant to mean something.

What happened in Egypt at some point is a democracy lesson at the highest level for many countries armies, an Army reminding the government they're at their citizens service and not their executioners, preventing a larger human disaster in the country it self and surrounding ones eventually.

The democracy process is on the road for this country, the example given by Egyptian army should be taken by many others where those armies neutrality leads to fake democracies and citizens arresting/murderers with the complicity of existing governments to keep their citizens mouth shut and benefit of those same citizens taxes to have better conditions.

I respectfully salute Egyptian army for respecting their country citizens wish and make it happen "smoothly" for a better process of democracy and liberty of this noble country and people.


Yeah! Go Egypt!!! Woo!!!!!

*Edit: Was going to put this in the funny news thread but I'm better than that Straight



Not that any of the cases are acceptable and the over under whelming reaction by the 'authorities' is unacceptable, but I will assume that most of the perpetrators of these actions are those that align with the Muslim faith or those that will ultimately find themselves in the hands of the law for other violations once things settle. A bunch of r.a.p.e cases, although massively unfortunate, should not be used to discredit the overall situation.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-07-05 11:52:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Sergeant Acht Scultz
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
What is a government if it's not at its citizens service?

Democracy, this word should mean something, it's meant to mean something.

What happened in Egypt at some point is a democracy lesson at the highest level for many countries armies, an Army reminding the government they're at their citizens service and not their executioners, preventing a larger human disaster in the country it self and surrounding ones eventually.

The democracy process is on the road for this country, the example given by Egyptian army should be taken by many others where those armies neutrality leads to fake democracies and citizens arresting/murderers with the complicity of existing governments to keep their citizens mouth shut and benefit of those same citizens taxes to have better conditions.

I respectfully salute Egyptian army for respecting their country citizens wish and make it happen "smoothly" for a better process of democracy and liberty of this noble country and people.


Yeah! Go Egypt!!! Woo!!!!!

*Edit: Was going to put this in the funny news thread but I'm better than that Straight



Propaganda.

Democratic countries all around the world salute what happened and you drop a link to some awful crap site like CNN, cmon CNN????

Why don't you link Reuters comments, Russian/European/Arabian known SERIOUS information sites instead of that piece of crap written by incompetent lazy people?

Also this:

Slade Trillgon wrote:
Not that any of the cases are acceptable and the over whelming reaction by the 'authorities' is unacceptable, but I will assume that most of the perpetrators of these actions are those that align with the Muslim faith or those that will ultimately find themselves in the hands of the law for other violations once things settle. A bunch of r.a.p.e cases, although massively unfortunate, should not be used to discredit the overall situation.


Democracy process is a very long road that never ends, they're at their beginning and yes nothing is perfect in most peoples perfect world, but what it matters right now is that the process seems to take a better route than ever, which doesn't remove any merit from those defending Egyptian women rights because they have rights and are man's equals like in every civilized country.
It's a very long process, Europe wasn't made in a couple months, US neither and every country claiming democracy knows it's a very long process taking at least 2/3 generations to become stable, those who know their history books should also know that provided they have at least 2 neurons capable of thinking

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#35 - 2013-07-05 12:18:47 UTC
Democracy in the west was fought in bloody civil wars, with the deathtolls in the millions across Europe and the streets of Paris floodying with blood from the guillotines. I would say if an act of **** in a population of 14 million protesting peacefully in the streets is the worst Egypt can do when its their turn I think its us that come off badly.

That said we were first and proved the concept and the peaceful template, but still there were no systematic massacres, no religious zealots and it was a Secular peaceful uprising for the most part.

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Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2013-07-05 12:34:15 UTC
Kirjava wrote:
Democracy in the west was fought in bloody civil wars, with the deathtolls in the millions across Europe and the streets of Paris floodying with blood from the guillotines. I would say if an act of **** in a population of 14 million protesting peacefully in the streets is the worst Egypt can do when its their turn I think its us that come off badly.

That said we were first and proved the concept and the peaceful template, but still there were no systematic massacres, no religious zealots and it was a Secular peaceful uprising for the most part.


Agreed.

I think people forget it took just shy of 700 years from the manga carta for Britain to become a full democracy.

America kind of hit the ground running as they benefited from The Enlightenment and 500 years of democratic evolution back in Britain.

Then you have Japan.... which is a truly bizarre kind of democracy. I cant even explain how weird it is... and how insanely noisy.

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#37 - 2013-07-05 13:00:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Kirjava
Yea, the Japanese play musical chairs with the cabinet right? I stopped remembering who their Prime Minister was after Koizumi....

Also to revise the estimate for deathtolls for democracy in Europe, probably over a hundred million dead for our democracy in Europe, and still rehabilitating the former eastern block through the EU and investment. Until Belarus is a democracy I don't think the liberation of Europe will fully be completed.

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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-07-05 13:10:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Sergeant Acht Scultz
Kirjava wrote:
Yea, the Japanese play musical chairs with the cabinet right? I stopped remembering who their Prime Minister was after Koizumi....

Also to revise the estimate for deathtolls for democracy in Europe, probably over a hundred million dead for our democracy in Europe, and still rehabilitating the former eastern block through the EU and investment. Until Belarus is a democracy I don't think the liberation of Europe will fully be completed.



Considering the last WW II was about 100 millions (global also but most in Europe) we can safely say at least 150Millions in less than 3 generations and much more since many European democratic processes started earlier, but for some like East Europe makes only a bit more than one decade they start knowing what democracy looks like but they're catching quite fast which is good, not perfect not good enough but on the good road.

Edit: Japanese example imho is a very interesting one. You see all these contrasts, democracy and modernism at higher levels ever conceivable conciliated with feudal living or habits that make Japanese people what they are witch such a rich culture in so many aspects. Took them what 3/4 generations from Feudal system to Democratic one? -I don't know if it's a perfect example but at least in a very interesting one for me.

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Stegas Tyrano
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-07-05 15:17:12 UTC
People seem to be talking about the egyptian army as if it solely serves the country and it's president when in reality it has always been pro-mubarak and pro-american (thanks to the billions it gets in military aid).

The coup was bound to happen sooner or later.

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jason hill
Red vs Blue Flight Academy
#40 - 2013-07-05 15:26:43 UTC
then you obviously didn't read my post then
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