EVE General Discussion

Never tried a jump freighter myself. Never got the chance, they always... jump.

Thanks for the perspective! :)

I had kinda figured that coordinating 30 people plus scouts/scanners plus bumpers, could not possibly be easy. The most I've ever even come close is using Tornados. Catalysts much be a far cry.

Ganking a freighter with 5 guys is so easy.
Even i could do it with just 1.
Suicide ganking is harder.
thou you can try getting 5 faction fitted talos(or 3 faction fitted vindicators) and just gank the first afk autopilot freighter.

But hey, if we can use mittani as 3rd party, i'm willing to bet. It just that i don't trust Chribba :roll: :badtroll:

I think he's the guy who posts all those LoL reviews.

Given enough people you can gank anything for free.

Yummmy Tears !!!

Missiles, maybe. Medium guns, no. The tracking formula doesn't work that way especially not when bumping is involved (and missiles aren't used because their damage methodology sucks for what's needed). So, probability of kill <1 on the hit mechanics alone, before we even get into all the myriad of other things that can go wrong.

No, it isn't. It means probability of loss <1.

This is not semantics. This is to show that even if we apply the incorrect rule that risk = cost × [probability <1], there is still risk. As it happens, it would be a risk regardless, and the fact that the probability is never 1 just further cements this. Since the ignorant and uninformed argument that “there is no risk for the gankers” always come up, it has a fuckton of bearing on the discussion: it shows that people who are complaining about ganking often have no idea how the game works; how ganking works; how risk works; and that their arguments are pretty much completely fallacious in every detail since they are based on misconception, assumption, and ignorance rather than any kind of reality or facts.

Put another way: the moment you say “ganking is risk free” you disqualify yourself from discussing ganking because you don't understand any of the involved mechanics or concepts.

This simple fact is further bolstered by the other fact that freighters are not dying by the droves. If ganking were anywhere near as risk-free as these uniformed whingers suggest, there would be CONCORD clouds on every gate between Amarr/Dodixie/Jita/Rens, and the odds of seeing a freighter on the Jita undock would be absolutely minute. Instead, one undocks every couple of seconds and fly away unasailed, safe in the knowledge that the risk of their getting ganked is so close to zero as to make almost no difference at all.

WAI. No need for my main to skill much beyond Cats for pvp fun enough from ganking rets in hisec with CCP pats on head all round. Same goes for OP pvp encounter, but loser and victor higher reqs and more at stake than cats/rets.
WAI. CCP say HTFU, no fly with all balls in undocked basket.

It's not about losing skills, it's about if you trained enough to fly such ships and all associated to fly them, it should reward the benefits for doing so.

Otherwise, why even level to be a freighter pilot?

And if that's so, there's fewer freighters to gank.

Cause and Effect.

Last time players did this with miners, the mining ships were buffed and changed for the better. Want to do the same with freighters?

Nevermind, it's a Goonie project to change EvE into PvE paradise.

It's risk-free because the costs are certain and relatively low. You (or at least normal people) don't consider shooting ammo risky because while the payout is uncertain, the cost is consistent and known before you start.

Ganking is not risky in the normal sense because there's no collateral, no shiny ship investment that you might lose if things go horribly wrong.



I'd wager this is part obscurity, part general decency, and part fun factor. Historically, those become non-factors if someone popularizes the act and forces CCP to adjust things. You could argue it's better for CCP to remain reactionary in these areas (it has merit), but we might as well discuss how best to change things when **** does hit the fan.

Ragequit please.

This is how EVE has always been and will always be. It's not save once you un-dock, get over it.

I don't need your stuff .

Signed,
A true faithful player and 9 year veteran.