EVE General Discussion

I guess that is how you must do things when your cash cow continue to bleed subs, Mr. Ghostcrawler. Not many theme parks out there to steal ideas from.

Though if you were to "borrow" ideas from EVE and put them into WoW, you'd be facing a **** storm from butthurt night elf warriors, like Swifty, that would make the whole Diablo 3 Auction House fiasco look like a mere miscommunication.

You must be new around here.

We know CCP listens and responds, sometimes slower than we like and sometimes with alarming speed. Sometimes CCP screws up, sometimes they don't. When we think they are headed the wrong way, we let them know. Only once has CCP and the player base had a serious disagreement, in my memory anyway. (Granted T20 and the carrier change created some big kerfluffles, but not to the degree of the summer of rage.) The disagreement was centered around the whole micro transactions question and the integrity of the sandbox with regards to pay to win aka golden ammo.

So far this thread and the mood I sense from the community is no where near making any credible threats. This is a shot across the bow at best, letting CCP know we have not forgotten and we hope they haven't either. The reasonable among us are pretty sure CCP has not forgotten and views, as we do, the integrity of the sandbox as paramount.

So go back to whining about WoW, CCP and the core community have a long and healthy relationship. You may not like how it is expressed, but it works, we know it works, they know it works. You don't know it works.

You must be new around here. Train forum whining to level 4 at least, and perhaps Social Dynamics ... at least inject the skill book.

you cannot compare CCP to blizzard on this end.

as i said, player driven entity is far bigger in eve (relative to the nb of player), and they already have proven that they WILL unsub massively.

ban from the forum is no solution in eve, like i said, metagaming make so the thing will spread anyway.

now, the commitment to eve is , imao, stronger than any other MMO, and in such case of "mas ban wave", trust me that those who, at that moment, would not be part of it, would join.

on the economic side, CCP being not such a big company, and having mainly EVE as income, makes that a massive unsub hurt them bad, and quickly.

now, on the communication player <=> CCP, i suggest you just look at how it was managed for odyssey, from the first iterations reaching SISI, to now.

from the start, many constructive post were posted on forums, describing the reasons why feature X or Y is not good / not well enought implemented / impact badly this or that etc...

during this phase, most of those comments were ignored by the devs, leading to some issues reaching TQ.

then, since more players encounter those, more post describing those issues were written, and yet, up to today, those are STILL ignored by the devs, if you don't believe me, go check the SISI odyssey feedback thread, then the odyssey feedback thread, and the odyssey issue thread.

despite the nb of post, with many of them being constructive & detailed, nothing is done, not even a SINGLE dev posting to acknowledge they currently READ the thread.

the more time passes, the more players feel ignored, if not slapped in the face by the dev who promised to listen us after the "monoclegate" shitstorm.

this is not a good way to communicate with your player base, don't you think?

i, among many others, am willing to improve the game, taking part of mass test, testing new feature when they reach sisi, and giving feedback / bug reports etc.... in the most precise way i can (bug report and bug management is part of my work irl, so i know how to).

and the result remains the same, nothing from CCP....

i did this since last summer expansion, meaning this is know the third expansion that i get involve with to help make it better, and nothing come from it, despsite me investing (loosing?) time.

this does not make me want to do it anymore, and i won't.

the trend the game is taking is, imao, bad, and the moment i don't have fun anymore, i'll leave.

and judging from what i see, i'm not the only one, just the exploration side of odyssey already made many ppl unsub....

(and yes, my stuff will be given, to my corp, so you won't have it :) )

I used to play both.

Last character I played in WoW was a goblin.

Got my account frozen, something to do with RMT, but as I don't use unofficial mods of any type (never have, except voice software) and nobody else uses the computer I knew the charges were false. So two hours later after some emails I got the account reopened (confirming they had no evidence and they obviously didn't investigate).

Anyway a month later, the same thing happened, another two hours wasted getting them to unfreeze the account. So I asked how am I going to stop you doing this again, they suggested altering my play style.

Anyway it happened again, got it overturned again, shortly after that I decided this isn't worth the effort, so just stopped playing it.

Awhile later they sent me a beta invite for their pandas, needless to say I didn't bother.

Not really.

And what I see here is what I seen on countless other game forums. Think EvE is really that special?



This reminds me of the comments seen when SOE was introducing RMT in EQII.

Players rant and rave. But they usually don't threaten their devs. That isn't a very constructive way to communicate!



Maybe instead of asking others to inject social skill books, you may ask yourself to do the same, because I already commented on some of those threats already.

Get out play some more games. See the industry for what it is. See what they can or can't reasonably do.

Just ranting because you see EA, doesn't do any good. It's like ranting about Microsoft. It's still in business and making a nice profit, no matter how many complain. In the end they still win, and people are still mad. Worthless. It isn't worth the headache or a heart attack. Which is why most gamers don't partake in forum posting (which devs finally are getting wise too).

And I'll take his experience over a faceless blue badge at MS as some truth.

Until that badge has a name to share, for all anyone knows you're 15 years-old and just want to work at MS.

This is the internet after all.

Certainly a fair statement to make. Not much I am willing to do about it. I will not be sharing my real name with the entire Eve community. You can choose to trust me or not. Your choice.

You cannot compare the Blizzard Community to the CCP Community. The EVE Community is one of the few video game communities that I have seen that will take action if they feel hints of corporate BS. I think the Jita Riots/the Summer of Rage proved that if push comes to shove, the EVE Community is not afraid to express themselves by revolting in-game and even through mass-unsubbing.

Shutting down a forum thread won't do ****. EVE is known for its huge metgame. There are tons of popular EVE sites where people would still express their displeasure. And thanks to the Corp/Alliance mechanics, you can't stop the spread of information and prevent mass demonstrations, as the Jita Riots clearly showed.

The EVE Community is passionate and is one of the few that recognizes that they wield the power. Respect the fans who pay for your product and the money will keep flowing. Treat them like they are idiots and try to pull a fast one and CCP will feel the consequences.

It's one of the reasons why I love EVE over WoW. It feels like it'a the players' world as much as CCP's.

Sit down then.


hiring & firing policies at CCP might cause some concerns for us
it's possible that some people may consider HR decisions confusing, or even insulting.

at the end of the day .... it's none of our business

if you feel particularly strongly regarding this decision
you have 2 options



#1: deal with it, and get over it
#2 delete everything, unsubscribe

no others ... just those
chose now
quit the pointless whining