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Vindicator or Megathorn Navy Issue?
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Valiethuar Rahoeskilurn
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-07-03 21:25:56 UTC
So far, it would appear that the Megathorn Navy Issue's only benefit over the Vindicator is it's very, very slight speed increase an extra low slot (in exchange for one less med slot), 50 pts of more calibration, a little more drone space, and a tad bit more shield and armor. The Vindicator on the other hand, has an addition turret hard point, and extra med slot (trading off the low slot), more power grid, webifier bonus which allows it to demolish fast moving ships, and an additional meta level. As it would seem, the Vindicator is the best choice for absolute annihilation, as it can not only support all 8 blasters going off but an active tank at the same time, with an army of drones as well.

Your opinion?
Vrenth
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-07-03 22:01:27 UTC
Valiethuar Rahoeskilurn wrote:
So far, it would appear that the Megathorn Navy Issue's only benefit over the Vindicator is it's very, very slight speed increase an extra low slot (in exchange for one less med slot), 50 pts of more calibration, a little more drone space, and a tad bit more shield and armor. The Vindicator on the other hand, has an addition turret hard point, and extra med slot (trading off the low slot), more power grid, webifier bonus which allows it to demolish fast moving ships, and an additional meta level. As it would seem, the Vindicator is the best choice for absolute annihilation, as it can not only support all 8 blasters going off but an active tank at the same time, with an army of drones as well.

Your opinion?


I don't understand your question, you have just listed all the pros and cons in direct comparison, and you are still wanting to know which is better? There is a reason the Vindicator is 3 times the price, it's better.
Valiethuar Rahoeskilurn
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-07-03 22:04:35 UTC
Sorry if I wasn't exactly explaining - I was trying to inquire about the situational advantages of either vessel (ie, is the Vindicator great by it'self or is it solely a fleet ship? Is it a better idea to go with more defense with the Megathorn Navy Issue or go with more firepower with the Vindicator? Is the Vindicator just as good as tanking as with the Navy Issue? etc).
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-07-03 22:51:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
It comes down to tank.
If you need a heavy buffer tank, you want a navy mega.
In all other situations vindicator is better.

If you fit both with the same tank then it comes down to trading 100dps and the web bonus for a heavy neut and spare drones. *shrug*
TBH, the ships are not as far apart as people make them out to be.

PS: In WHs it's laregly irrelevant cos they both dies to 3 hits from a moros.

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Valiethuar Rahoeskilurn
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-07-03 22:56:21 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
It comes down to tank.
If you need a heavy buffer tank, you want a navy mega.
In all other situations vindicator is better.



Thank you
Garr Earthbender
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-07-03 22:57:47 UTC
If you want heavy buffer, don't use the navy mega. Use a navy Amarr ship.

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Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#7 - 2013-07-03 23:20:50 UTC
[Vindicator, New Setup 1]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Damage Control II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L

Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Large Core Defense Field Extender I


Vindicator every time. 1K dps at 27K is devastating, to things that are 90% webbed. Couple this with the innate tracking bonus, and the fact that this ship has 90K ehp and goes 2.1k/s unheated- and you have a serious **** monster on your hands.

The web is what will always make the vindi better, always.
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#8 - 2013-07-04 00:55:49 UTC
Chessur wrote:


Vindicator every time. 1K dps at 27K is devastating, to things that are 90% webbed. Couple this with the innate tracking bonus, and the fact that this ship has 90K ehp and goes 2.1k/s unheated- and you have a serious **** monster on your hands.

The web is what will always make the vindi better, always.


Almost apart form the fact that most webs don't reach that far.
Unless you pimp the hell out of it then the cost difference for effectiveness may become part of the decision critera depending on OP bank balances and willingness to lose multi bill isk in ships/fit etc.

But anything that gets caught by said webs.....goodbye! Twisted

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#9 - 2013-07-04 03:05:17 UTC
Almost anything 'Navy' = more tank in my experience. But you can get 1400 DPS from a Navy Mega..

My thing is:
I am a LOT more fearless in a Navy Mega. Undock, start shooting, no worries.
I could lose 1
then another 1
then another 1
for the same cost as a decent fit Vindi.
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2013-07-04 07:54:03 UTC
Vindi makes an excellent nul rat ship. But awfully expencive for a fleet doc of any kind. Then again anything is possible with sufficient funding. It would make for a brutal blap fleet mixed with dreds.
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-07-04 11:20:10 UTC
Vrenth wrote:
There is a reason the Vindicator is 3 times the price, it's better.


That goes for the reward frigs with paint jobs too yeah?right?

no, but in this case, the vindi is better :P

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Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2013-07-04 11:30:08 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
Vrenth wrote:
There is a reason the Vindicator is 3 times the price, it's better.


That goes for the reward frigs with paint jobs too yeah?right?

no, but in this case, the vindi is better :P


Well from a strictly technical aspect the special paint frigs were given out just for being an active account. As such their "substantive" value is 0. They just came into being without any material cost or rarity attached. Where as a pirate bs has a substantive cost which is then multiplied by its rarity.

To site the opposite case for review look at the arena reward ships. Effectively no cost times effectively infinite rarity and you get an undefined answer.

Thus the paradox of something priceless can also not be sold (worthless)
ImmutableDark
Absalom.
#13 - 2013-07-04 11:38:51 UTC
I like Pie.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2013-07-04 11:54:43 UTC
Chessur wrote:
[Vindicator, New Setup 1]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Damage Control II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L

Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Large Core Defense Field Extender I


Vindicator every time. 1K dps at 27K is devastating, to things that are 90% webbed. Couple this with the innate tracking bonus, and the fact that this ship has 90K ehp and goes 2.1k/s unheated- and you have a serious **** monster on your hands.

The web is what will always make the vindi better, always.


Please tell me that's not a PVP fit. I got an armor fit for PVP with one hell of a tank pumping out 1800 DPS.

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IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#15 - 2013-07-04 14:09:05 UTC
Vindicator provides a very useful role in fleets. Having 3-4 Vindis provides a fleet with 6-10 90% webs, which enable blap dreads to apply a lot of damage. In this role the damage of the vindi doesn't really matter they just need a solid buffer and a high enough resist line for triage reps to keep them up.


Navy mega might be useful in some kind of small gang situations but I don't think the extra dps is worth it compared to the range advantage you get with the amarr navy BS. Both navy geddon and navy apoc are probably the better fleet ships.
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#16 - 2013-07-04 15:22:29 UTC
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
Vindicator provides a very useful role in fleets. Having 3-4 Vindis provides a fleet with 6-10 90% webs, which enable blap dreads to apply a lot of damage. In this role the damage of the vindi doesn't really matter they just need a solid buffer and a high enough resist line for triage reps to keep them up.


Navy mega might be useful in some kind of small gang situations but I don't think the extra dps is worth it compared to the range advantage you get with the amarr navy BS. Both navy geddon and navy apoc are probably the better fleet ships.


Pretty much this ^^
Pulgy
Doomheim
#17 - 2013-07-04 18:20:46 UTC
Chessur wrote:
[Vindicator, New Setup 1]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Damage Control II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L

Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Large Core Defense Field Extender I

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Therapy.
The Initiative.
#18 - 2013-07-08 14:08:07 UTC
Yeah that is by far one of the dumbest things ive ever seen linked
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#19 - 2013-07-08 15:41:01 UTC
The reason why the shield vindi is superior to the armor vidi is because

1. It has better projection
2. It has more tracking / DPS
3. It is faster

This allows it to be flown much like a talos, instead of being forced to hug the station, gate
Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
#20 - 2013-07-08 15:52:24 UTC
If you want a fast BS with nice damage projection, use a Mach.

Putting nano jeans on a vindi doesn't do much to hide its fat arse.
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