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Ganker Math: Adapting to the Post-insurance nerf.
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Phoehnix
Swiss Tax Avoidance Bank Inc
#61 - 2011-11-08 22:19:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Phoehnix
Tanya Powers wrote:
Most probably they're just afraid of loosing shiny stuff vs armys of rifters? - adapt or die, this is what they always say.


Possibly this but can't be sure and its definately not everyone ^^


Tanya Powers wrote:
Now real effort is needed to continuously wardec newb corps, witch was completely silly.


Yes you're right, but what we have now is still not an ideal solution, making decs almost impossible. The problems lie in the war mechanics themselves I guess.
It should always be possible for those mercs/pvpers/gankers to dec industrial corps (whether newbies or not) but deccing someone for 6months for 2mil a week is a little cheap, and doesn't really require much from the deccers.

Edit:
Just saw what corp your character is in, THAT should be the proper way to avoid war decs :)
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#62 - 2011-11-08 22:19:17 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
pee vee pee goes

Is spelling it out like that supposed to be insulting?

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#63 - 2011-11-08 22:21:57 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
Phoehnix wrote:
Tanya Powers wrote:
Hoo my goodness poor mercs...If you don't have concord candies anymore for criminal acts: null sec/low sec wishes you "welcome". -stop harassing newb corps or industrials just go to serious business.

Grow a pair go there or stop wining, Mitani will wish you the most welcome, you have the options but you don't pick them because...??


No I actually agree with that, put a stop to the imbalanced suicide ganking and make players use the war decs instead, they're there for a reason.
Unfortunately CCP is breaking the war mechanics too....


Also, about the your game stuff, EVE is everyone's game and its the player interactions that make it, whether you like them or not :)



Now real effort is needed to continuously wardec newb corps, witch was completely silly.

Blah blah blah high sec old corps industrials miners etc? - the choice is there: low sec/null sec

It's a very nice way to improve low sec/null sec, force pee vee peer's to go there where pee vee pee goes, so I think all this stuff is very good for newbies and real casuals staying in high sec has is good to improve low/null activity.

Most probably they're just afraid of loosing shiny stuff vs armys of rifters? - adapt or die, this is what they always say.


You are wrong about low-sec.

Do you know how to read? Its unattractive because in lowsec, people expect to be killed and fit their ships accordingly.
Hard to squeeze tears out of a player who is flying around in a T2 Rupture, expecting to get into a fight.

In high sec, there are
A) high value targets with nice deadspace drops.
B) Players who don't want to be shot - or don't expect to be killed, and thus generate far more tears. (and sometimes loots)

Doesn't mean that CCP need to bend over backwards and distort the insurance system just to make the highsec victims feel better about it.

Got it now? Geez, some people are slow. Roll
Phoehnix
Swiss Tax Avoidance Bank Inc
#64 - 2011-11-08 22:38:54 UTC
A point i'd like to make is that newbies aren't actually forced out of suicide ganking because of this change.
They can still gank retrievers and what-not. The hulk is a more expensive ship for several reasons, one of them being it is tougher than the other barges.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#65 - 2011-11-08 22:55:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Ptraci
Herr Wilkus wrote:


In high sec, there are
A) high value targets with nice deadspace drops.
B) Players who don't want to be shot - or don't expect to be killed, and thus generate far more tears. (and sometimes loots)

Doesn't mean that CCP need to bend over backwards and distort the insurance system just to make the highsec victims feel better about it.

Got it now? Geez, some people are slow. Roll




Yeah I got it. So what you want is not only to be able to attack ships that are not "fitted accordingly" to fight back, but you also want complete surprise while you attack these poorly (or not combat fitted at all, in the case of haulers/miners) fitted ships. Tell you what, why doesn't someone just make a flash game where you pretend to blow up covetors and we'll call it a day. We'll call it "Angry Miners" or something. Griefer tears are even sweeter than nullbear tears. At least nullbears are willing to engage in SOME risk.
Generals4
#66 - 2011-11-08 23:06:01 UTC
The OP is misleading as he forgot gankers get buffed destroyers and BC's with BS weaponry to play with.
The winter exp won't nerf ganking at all if you ask me.

_-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. _
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#67 - 2011-11-08 23:06:31 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Tell you what, why doesn't someone just make a flash game where you pretend to blow up covetors and we'll call it a day. We'll call it "Angry Miners" or something.

Because flash games don't convo me after I blow up their exhumer and threaten to kill me in rl thereby earning themselves a permaban from the game. Why would you want to stop all that fun from happening?

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Generals4
#68 - 2011-11-08 23:08:52 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:

Because flash games don't convo me after I blow up their exhumer and threaten to kill me in rl thereby earning themselves a permaban from the game. Why would you want to stop all that fun from happening?


Your inner sadism is strong. Thank God you have EVE to satisfy it.

_-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. _
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#69 - 2011-11-08 23:11:05 UTC
Generals4 wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:

Because flash games don't convo me after I blow up their exhumer and threaten to kill me in rl thereby earning themselves a permaban from the game. Why would you want to stop all that fun from happening?


Your inner sadism is strong. Thank God you have EVE to satisfy it.

So some dude threatens to hunt down and kill me in real life and I'm the sick sadist?

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#70 - 2011-11-08 23:12:14 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Tanya Powers wrote:
pee vee pee goes

Is spelling it out like that supposed to be insulting?


Show me where your but huts Lol
Generals4
#71 - 2011-11-08 23:14:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Generals4
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Generals4 wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:

Because flash games don't convo me after I blow up their exhumer and threaten to kill me in rl thereby earning themselves a permaban from the game. Why would you want to stop all that fun from happening?


Your inner sadism is strong. Thank God you have EVE to satisfy it.

So some dude threatens to hunt down and kill me in real life and I'm the sick sadist?


I'm not saying you're a sick sadist. Everyone enjoys tears to an extend but you seem to enjoy them a lot. Which is your right, afterall better to get your kick in a virtual world , isn't it?

_-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. _
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#72 - 2011-11-08 23:15:12 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
Terminal Insanity wrote:
GIVE THE CAREBEARS THEIR OWN SHARD

GIVE THEM THEIR OWN RULES THAT THEY WILL ENJOY



Dump them all on the Chinese server.



OP wants more easy targets, not less.

TEARS had member corps that did a lot of operations out of null and wormhole space. Not sure why the OP is still in High Sec if it bothers him that much.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#73 - 2011-11-08 23:22:05 UTC
Anya Ohaya wrote:
Jita Alt666 wrote:
Terminal Insanity wrote:
GIVE THE CAREBEARS THEIR OWN SHARD

GIVE THEM THEIR OWN RULES THAT THEY WILL ENJOY



Dump them all on the Chinese server.



OP wants more easy targets, not less.

TEARS had member corps that did a lot of operations out of null and wormhole space. Not sure why the OP is still in High Sec if it bothers him that much.



Because he's afraid of pvp vs pvp fitted ships. He likes solo games, should play pac man instead.
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
#74 - 2011-11-08 23:27:07 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:

So some dude threatens to hunt down and kill me in real life and I'm the sick sadist?


Funny, but I thought it sounded like you were looking forward to that result.

I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#75 - 2011-11-08 23:28:32 UTC
MeestaPenni wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:

So some dude threatens to hunt down and kill me in real life and I'm the sick sadist?


Funny, but I thought it sounded like you were looking forward to that result.

I'm a big fat guy...I'd be dead before I finished getting off my couch.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
#76 - 2011-11-08 23:32:35 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:

Because flash games don't convo me after I blow up their exhumer and threaten to kill me in rl thereby earning themselves a permaban from the game. Why would you want to stop all that fun from happening?


Actually, I was referring to this and what reads like some gleeful anticipation at its occurrence.

Not the stupidly unlikely chance that another fat dude would actually get off his couch and hunt you down.

I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore.
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#77 - 2011-11-08 23:35:37 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
So some dude threatens to hunt down and kill me in real life and I'm the sick sadist?

So you enjoy the suffering of others, but you don't want to be labelled as a sadist.
Now that's amusing.

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#78 - 2011-11-08 23:37:02 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
So some dude threatens to hunt down and kill me in real life and I'm the sick sadist?

So you enjoy the suffering of others, but you don't want to be labelled as a sadist.
Now that's amusing.

I don't care how I'm labeled. I was just amused that in my story about some miner threatening to kill me irl I was seen as the bad guy.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
#79 - 2011-11-08 23:39:30 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:

I don't care how I'm labeled. I was just amused that in my story about some miner threatening to kill me irl I was seen as the bad guy.


I know which way I'd place my bets.

I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#80 - 2011-11-08 23:41:08 UTC
MeestaPenni wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:

Because flash games don't convo me after I blow up their exhumer and threaten to kill me in rl thereby earning themselves a permaban from the game. Why would you want to stop all that fun from happening?


Actually, I was referring to this and what reads like some gleeful anticipation at its occurrence.

Not the stupidly unlikely chance that another fat dude would actually get off his couch and hunt you down.

Oh well in that case yes...getting some pubbie so mad that he earns himself a permaban is something I enjoy a great deal.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.