EVE General Discussion

So... CONCORD is not a certainty of death?

Huh, I've been doing this all wrong then. :P

All snark aside, you are 100% guaranteed to lose your ship to CONCORD the moment you commit that particular criminal act in highsec. This is a risk/loss you are prepared to take by suicide ganking, that's why it's called suicide.

Working the smart way to mitigate the losses, is simply good gameplay.

Eh, fair enough.

As to this "risk or no risk" thing about ganking, I think of it this way.

Risk and cost are the same, fundamentally, when you are talking about suicide ganking. You WILL die. CONCORD will get you, if you fire on a non-aggressed ship in highsec.

But, the reason this seems like it's risk free, cost free to the ganked, is because the gankers have made this into a science, to mitigate the risk involved. This is because CCP has, over the years, caved in to the QQ and nerfed ganking over and over again. They've been forced to adapt, to strategize and to micromanage their efforts down to the last Catalyst. They've gotten good at it, and they've spread the word about their successful strategies. That's why they keep on winning, because as a whole, the PvP community is much more tightly knit together than the PvE community (incursions aside, of course. Those guys are some insular people though).

U should quote infinity because who wants to troll thru 16 pages to see what ur talking about .

This is a player created problem. Were it not the tendency of people to load their freighters up with enough stuff to make it profitable, this would not happen.



At no point is it unfair for a single ship, flown by a single player, to lose to 30 people, flying 30 ships. Nothing you say can make that any less true. Gank originally stood for Gang Kill. Still applies pretty well today.



Well, time to ban PI, Ice Mining, Salvaging, BPOs, and about half a dozen other odd highsec activities. Those have less risk than ganking, I mean, afterall, CONCORD doesn't chase you, and every player in the game can't shoot at you if you do those.

I <3 you.

Not being sarcastic. I've had enough of the machismo-can't-be-tough-irl-so-gotta-be-tough-on-a-videogame attitude that seems to permeate the EvE elite community.

Well, it's more of an illusory self-projection, but hey, some people need something to feel good about. Sometimes it's "winning" (lol Charlie) over someone else in a spaceship lasers game.

Nauseating at times. Thank you for a dose of fresh air.

I wonder if people really do quit eve after getting ganked ? Im sure some do .

There are any number of things that can go wrong: the gankers warp in too far away, can't get into range quickly enough or start shooting before they are at the appropriate range, or maybe the gankers warp in too close and end up bouncing off the target and landing tens of kilometres away. Then there's the good old loot fairy: each stack of items has a 50% chance to drop, but for whatever reason (mostly gambling psychology) it seems that the loot fairy tends to favour the worthless stacks of carbon and cordite rather than the valuable stacks of PLEX and moon-goo-du-jour.

So as Tippia has pointed out, there is risk involved, where risk is the product of cost and probability of failure. On the flip side is reward, which is value of success times probability of success. The probability of failure of a suicide gank is around 50% (that's the chance of the valuable cargo dropping, plus a teensy bit due to the times that the gankers stuff up).

Suicide ganking today is harder and less profitable than it has ever been. Even so, there are people who don't read the forums, don't understand killboards or have their heads buried in the sand and never heard that rule about never shipping more than 1B ISK worth of goods in a freighter: "it's got 800k m3 of capacity," the pilot thinks, "why shouldn't I fill it all?"

As for your statement about, "no one should be making trillions in high sec risk free like this," the only suggestion I have is that if the income really is so amazingly high and the cost so amazingly low, why isn't everyone doing it?

I have no qualms with suicide ganking per se, but I do have issues with game mechanics which allow someone to be bumped and aggressed indefinitely without any repercussions to the gankers. It's perfectly within the mechanics and rules of the game, but I just can't shake the feeling that it's a cheap tactic that needs to be addressed.

Details? I'd love to hear the "not whining" side of things.

How about you take the time to learn through trial and error, and then get back to us?

Let me put it this way:

Ganking a freighter is -by no means- easy. Anyone who truthfully says otherwise has not done what I do. Jump freighters are even harder.

Protecting a freighter is incredibly easy. Jump freighters are even easier to protect, for reasons listed in this hilarious thread, and others.

In short, if you were to place the physical representation of the minuscule amount of effort it requires to protect your gigantic beast of a hauler on one end of a seesaw, then drop the Titanic-equivalent amount of effort it takes to actually coordinate and execute a gank on the other end, it would provide that little speck with enough velocity to escape the Earth's atmosphere.

As to ISK discussions and suggestions about what kind of people gank fools, that can fall to people who care about that kind of thing.