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Noobvet (TM) looking for some advice about leaving high sec

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Rick Sarth
ABDN Corp
#1 - 2013-07-04 09:45:59 UTC
Hi folks :)

I am a returning player from quite a while ago (as agreed in another thread in general, this shall be termed Noobvet!

Anyway, I have spoken to some helpful folks and I am going to redo the tutorials again just to give me a grounding in the basics and to get me used to the control systems etc, as some things will have changed since 2005.

I have about 5m ISK and 2 T1 frigates and a small gallente Hauler, and a Thrasher from the collectors edition pre-order but I don't want to use that as It will just die with me at the helm hehe.

My main question is, once I have completed the tutorials and first epic arc, I would like to play a bit more out of high sec, however I am a bit worried I will just die...lots...repeatedly and not find out how to improve.

I don't mind getting slapped about in lo sec, its the point of eve, get hit, learn from it, however my first experience of low sec, many moons ago, was in 0.4 and I got jumped by a pirate, this was about a month into playing and my first exploration out of 1.0 basically and I didn't even realise the pirate was a person and not an NPC :-) however I got the impression that I couldn't do much in low sec until I got a cruiser etc, so started the path towards cruiser command etc.

Would it be worth just getting a small frigate, some railguns\blasters and just flying about and see whats out there, dying obviously, but as long as its just cheap ships and no implants to lose I would learn faster?

Also as most of my mates have moved away since I was in my early 20's (31 now) I don't know anyone that plays Eve anymore so finding a corp to join may be hard as I am not sure many would want noobvet who doesn't know what button fires and which warps hehe. Or are there actively recruiting corps that don't need players who live at their PC :)

I know this is a long post, I just want to really get into the game, I never really gave it a chance and I think its more what I am looking for, I enjoy strategy and patience, I want to learn hw to fit out ships, and I cant stand the juvenile dullness that most MMO's have become, Eve is still as complicated and sandbox like as it was in 2005 :)

Cheers all, any tips welcome.
Snaggletooth Slackjaw
Banana Moon Industries
#2 - 2013-07-04 09:52:08 UTC
The most dangerous parts of lowsec are the systems immediately adjacent to hi-sec.

There are many very quiet lowsec systems. Once you get 3 or 4 jumps away from hi-sec, they are quite often empty.

Try heading to the Eve Gate up in Genesis. You travel through a lot of low-sec systems, mostly quite quiet, and there are some interesting sights to see along the way.

A fast frigate or even a shuttle is the thing to fly if you just want to go exploring.

CEO, Banana Moon Industries. Alliance Diplomat, Rim Worlds Protectorate

Rick Sarth
ABDN Corp
#3 - 2013-07-04 10:00:21 UTC
Thanks for that. It was one of the things I liked about the game, the fact I could go from one end of the galaxy to the other if I wanted, I was just a bit worried id be griefed constantly and just get a little sick of it, but if I can actually fly about a bit and die every now and then, I am quite happy with that. its more the just being shot down each time that would get a little pissy :)

Unless I can befriend a battleship pilot to mother me about lol
Nox Solitudo
That Random Worker Ant Colony
#4 - 2013-07-04 12:06:39 UTC
Rick Sarth wrote:
Thanks for that. It was one of the things I liked about the game, the fact I could go from one end of the galaxy to the other if I wanted, I was just a bit worried id be griefed constantly and just get a little sick of it, but if I can actually fly about a bit and die every now and then, I am quite happy with that. its more the just being shot down each time that would get a little pissy :)

Unless I can befriend a battleship pilot to mother me about lol


I haven't seen many battleships in lowsec. Bigger is not always better, and for lowsec you may prefer frigates, at least at the beginning. Also, have you considered joining a nullsec-based corp? (If so, feel free to drop me a mail ;) )

Also, if you want just to travel, you may consider to use rookie ships instead of frigates, so if you happen to find yourself in a gatecamp, you don't lose much and new ship is just one dock away.
Rick Sarth
ABDN Corp
#5 - 2013-07-04 12:16:12 UTC
Nox Solitudo wrote:


I haven't seen many battleships in lowsec. Bigger is not always better, and for lowsec you may prefer frigates, at least at the beginning. Also, have you considered joining a nullsec-based corp? (If so, feel free to drop me a mail ;) )

Also, if you want just to travel, you may consider to use rookie ships instead of frigates, so if you happen to find yourself in a gatecamp, you don't lose much and new ship is just one dock away.


Thanks for the tip. :)

I think the best plan is to pick up a free starter ship and just punt about, keep my other frigates and stuff away for now as they are safe in a .8 space station.

If I can get about a bit and actually see things and start to chat to folk that would help, as if you are on your tod and just get griefed all the time, it will get stale fast....until you come back with a proper PvP ship in 6 months time for revenge...mwahahahah...ahem.

Having read the fitting guide and exploration guide I feel I already know more than I did last time I played.

Oh also, is there an app type thing for your training so it can alert you to start new training books, or can you even do it without logging in, just if I am away for a few days etc so don't laps my training?
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-07-04 12:18:05 UTC
Rick Sarth wrote:
Oh also, is there an app type thing for your training so it can alert you to start new training books, or can you even do it without logging in, just if I am away for a few days etc so don't laps my training?


Evemon to plan out your training, track your skill queue and warn you when there's free space in it. You have to log in to change skills though.
Rick Sarth
ABDN Corp
#7 - 2013-07-04 12:30:49 UTC
Elena Thiesant wrote:
Rick Sarth wrote:
Oh also, is there an app type thing for your training so it can alert you to start new training books, or can you even do it without logging in, just if I am away for a few days etc so don't laps my training?


Evemon to plan out your training, track your skill queue and warn you when there's free space in it. You have to log in to change skills though.



That must be what I have used before, or something very similar, though it was more a notification timer.

This version sounds a lot more useful :) thanks
Max Godsnottlingson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-07-04 12:55:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Max Godsnottlingson
Rick, how long ago is it since you last layed Eve? You have sort of hinted that you might be interested in Exploration.

If so, then you may want to be looking towards going nul sec or WH space. I am not going to get into the "Low Sec is broke" argument. But for me, I dipped my toes in Low Sec, but then passed on through to Nul, where frankly the exploration sites are much sweeter and genetally a lot less hassle to access.

WH systems are 'interesting' and fun in a different way, but still, in my oppinion have more to be pulled out of them then Low Sec.

If of course, if you are looking for some good solid PvP to lock horns with, and exploration is mainly a means of generating it, then Low Sec is the place to be.

But for a hard explorerer like Max here, it's just not worth his while for the hassle involved.
Trudeaux Margaret
University of Caille
#9 - 2013-07-04 13:00:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Trudeaux Margaret
Here's a nice EVElopedia guide geared towards players who have never been in lowsec:

Rookie Lowsec Survival Guide. As with much in EVElopedia, some of it may be an expansion or two out of date ut the overall advice is good.

Good luck and have fun. Blink

> anyone willing to give me like a 5 min politics crash course?

> grr goons, lowsec is full of elitist sh*s, all roads lead to the bittervet pl

Rick Sarth
ABDN Corp
#10 - 2013-07-04 14:16:02 UTC
Max Godsnottlingson wrote:
Rick, how long ago is it since you last layed Eve? You have sort of hinted that you might be interested in Exploration.

If so, then you may want to be looking towards going nul sec or WH space. I am not going to get into the "Low Sec is broke" argument. But for me, I dipped my toes in Low Sec, but then passed on through to Nul, where frankly the exploration sites are much sweeter and genetally a lot less hassle to access.

WH systems are 'interesting' and fun in a different way, but still, in my oppinion have more to be pulled out of them then Low Sec.

If of course, if you are looking for some good solid PvP to lock horns with, and exploration is mainly a means of generating it, then Low Sec is the place to be.

But for a hard explorerer like Max here, it's just not worth his while for the hassle involved.



Daft question but what is Nul sec?

I know what WH space is and high and low sec. Just curious.

I last played eve in 2008 for about 4 months in total, but game time was limited.
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#11 - 2013-07-04 15:24:48 UTC
Before i say anything else. You wont have much trouble finding a corp as long as your honest about your SP, and the fact that you took an extended break from EVE. If you have trouble finding a corp read over this guide; https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=245333&find=unread

0.0.
Basically you can get shoot (or shoot others) without any penalty for doing so. No sec status loss and similar. A lot of 0.0 is claimed by alliances and similar, but you also have NPC 0.0 (from what i know these tends to be more of a ..pirate heaven and is attractive if you want to PVP and nothing else).
0.0 also comes with quite a bit of politics, and you should be comfortable with the idea of CTA (Call to Arms) if you choose to try this, depending on who you join of course.
But 0.0 is also were you tend to find the bigger fleet fights that draws so many players to EVE (not saying they dont happen anywhere else), so if thats what your looking for 0.0 might be your best option.
Rick Sarth
ABDN Corp
#12 - 2013-07-04 15:32:05 UTC
Ah right, I assumed 0.0 was classed as low sec too, makes more sense now :)

A friend of mine used to be very active in Eve, owned his own Corp, they had a station in 0.0 and a large fleet\ group.

However he was telling me a few years ago that they were getting a bit sick of a Russian group of players who were coming in and basically destroying all their stuff because of the time difference, i.e. when he was asleep in the UK (most of the corp was UK\west Europe based) and when they slept the Russian fleet just had almost nothing to stop them.

He said it was a bit of fun for a while but after the 10th time, he just got sick of it, which put me off ever owning a station.

coming online and finding all your stuff was gone would get annoying after a while.

But I don't think that's something I would have to worry about for a long time ! lol
Solai
Doughfleet
Triglavian Outlaws and Sobornost Troika
#13 - 2013-07-04 16:36:15 UTC
Regarding time zone differences, if you find a larger alliance to join, they'll have a decent population during other time zones. Additionally, the russian alliances are fairly limited, and in specific places. Everyone else is gonna primarily adhere to EU and US time zones.

Nul sec life is interesting. The space belongs to your alliance, and most the time it's pretty safe to traverse. Sometimes neutrals and roams come through, looking for fights an easy kills, but you can always just dock up and wait them out. Good alliances are extremely organized, with multiple communication tools set up to give you alerts when you're not online, programs to replace your ships if you lose them in combat, programs to organize industry, and more. If your alliance part of a coalition, and a war is on, you have access to big fleets, which are pretty novel. Sometimes big fleets are grueling, other times they're lots of fun, but that makes sense; the best tactical moves aren't always the funnest. Or sometimes being hard-nosed competitive is the fun part.

Getting involved in corp and alliance goals and growth is pretty fun, too. Then there's the meta - spies, diplomacy, etc. There's lots of uniquely cool stuff in null sec.
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#14 - 2013-07-04 16:43:42 UTC
What Solai said is very accurate in my opinion, but keep in mind it still is not for everyone.

I would also like to add that things like spying, scouting, corporation/alliance goals, wars and so on is not limited to 0.0. You can find this in any part of EVE (yes even high sec! Lol ), so if this is something your looking for but don't enjoy the idea of 0.0 just look around and you will find it elsewhere Smile
Rick Sarth
ABDN Corp
#15 - 2013-07-04 18:01:12 UTC
Thanks for the very helpful replies :-)

Having sorted out an app I was able to have a review of my skills, bulk of it is in starship use, gallente frigs and destroyers, with touches in few other things and drones.

So not a bad grounding.